Everyone is kissing China's netherlands for their hardware, and suddenly becoming precious over their software. Hippopotamuses!
Hardware is also getting a fair share of international bans
India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#602Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have a good point. But TikTok is much more risky, and as as such requires much more scrutiny given existing body of knowledge between how chinese social media / chat companies such as WeChat enforce government censorship and aid in propagating misinformation. This might be a shock to most people in the western world, but if you go on almost ANY news website in china, the headline news is dedicated to government p…
> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately In China, the government has more power than corporations. In the US, corporations have more power than the government.
Which FAANG has nukes?
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#603Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have a good point. But TikTok is much more risky, and as as such requires much more scrutiny given existing body of knowledge between how chinese social media / chat companies such as WeChat enforce government censorship and aid in propagating misinformation. This might be a shock to most people in the western world, but if you go on almost ANY news website in china, the headline news is dedicated to government p…
> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately No, I get this, but here's the thing: YouTube and, more specifically, it's advertisers do everything that you're accusing China of. There are material consequences if YouTube doesn't keep in line. What this means is that a status quo that pleases advertisers will be maintained. It's every bit propaganda as dropping leaflets, but you can't…
YouTube doesn’t have concentration camps.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#604Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a joke. The "western world" created PRISM and Five Eyes and has been meddling in elections in the third world for almost a century. Additionally, what do you define as the "western world", because by some measures it includes some actually fascist governments like e.g. Saudi Arabia. A) Having democracy does not correlate with having transparency and freedom, this has been de facto proven. B) If the "western w…
>B) If the "western world" is the bar, the bar is low. And yet China manages to fail this low bar stunningly. To the point that they are running actual concentration camps for Muslims. Something no Western government has done, and the last one to do finished paying reparations to the victims 4 years ago, 70 years after it happened.
Western governments literally have a history of slavery.
Right now, America is running actual concentration camps for African Americans.
Don’t think western governments are any better.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#605Yeah, I'm sure this has nothing to do with them killing Indian soldiers. it's sad how this is more bigger news than that.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#606India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.
A reddit user reverse engineered Tiktok and listed some of the information they collect and the extent to which they go to obfuscate their data exfiltration.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...
See the top comment as the video has now been removed from YouTube.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
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The parent comment isn't talking about spyware. Imagine if US.app and China.app were both clean, no spyware. If China subsidizes and allows China.app to have access to their domestic market but bans US.app, while US allows China.app to rake in billions of dollars in revenue in the US - this is purely an economic fairness and global trade issue. There is no sane defensive argument against this. Chinese market is 1.3 b…
One reason is if US.app is allowed on the Chinese market, it will dominate due to massive technology advantage and obliterate any chance of a homegrown industry. Open markets let players who are ahead get further ahead and they don't want to kneecap their own technology industry.
It is hard to read this response being written on the platform (YCombinator forums - HN) that is designed to disrupt established monopologies, duopolies; which is poised to cut through the decades of crud piled up in every imaginable industry, and offer a new perspective; a bold, fundamental rethinking of everything from quantum computers to wind energy, from payment services to logistics; despite of the existing competition, bureaucratic barriers and red tape, government mandates, political turbulence and geopolitical forces, vendor lock-ins and exclusive contracts, entrenched and exploitative practices, despite massive open market on an international scale and allowing anyone from any country to participate and compete.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#608Earlier quoted context omitted.
YouTube isn't controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government - it is run by the fascist-lite corporate oligarchy which runs the US. The US may not be as bad as china in some ways but that doesn't absolve them from responsibility.
I'm from a western country and I know for a fact that homicide rate in US is 6 times worse than China (6/100,000 in US VS Maybe US has some problems on its own...
Plus, the average Chinese minority does not fear being shot by the police.
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Why should India ban a Chinese social media company and not an US social media company, it's a matter of national security? This claim is just xenophobic nonsense.
One is a private corporation in a relatively progressive and free country, the other is a company controlled by an authoritarian nation-state. There's clearly a difference...
> One is a private corporation in a relatively progressive and free country,
I think he is referring to Google.
Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps
#610Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately In China, the government has more power than corporations. In the US, corporations have more power than the government.
Which FAANG has nukes?
I suppose spacex isn’t part of the fang nor do they have nukes but pretty sure they might just have the best aim :)