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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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ianleeclark wrote: post #346
Veen wrote: post #253

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Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Youtube, flawed as it is, is not that.

> Here's one difference: the CCP is a totalitarian dictatorship that exerts direct control over Chinese corporations. Maybe we shouldn't have worked so hard to support building up their manufacturing base when we knew this all along. Oh well, we just get to repeat the Dutch mistake of financing your enemy into having a robust manufacturing base until they gradually overtake global control.

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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by Aunche »

mathnmusic wrote: post #80

I think this sort of response was inevitable and will be seen in more and more nations. China bans most of the popular websites and apps (including Wikipedia). The most recent trigger was the border standoff between India and China where Indian citizens could see and read both governments' responses, but Chinese citizens were only told Chinese govt's talking points. This seems like yet another instance of the paradox…

How does this have anything to do with tolerance? India has never been known to highly value tolerance, and this move is about national security rather than censorship on the Chinese apps.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by verdverm »

chinesempire wrote: post #536
microcolonel wrote: post #492

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Even if the quality of these data sources were comparable it still wouldn't be relevant to this conversation. Career criminals killing eachother in major cities has nothing to do with foreign surveillance and human rights.

It has a lot to do with what kind of criminal lobby is in charge As European I prefer Chinese communists to American warlords that can't stop selling guns to everyone If you think about it, the "greatest democracy of the World" has homicide rates worse than Nigeria and Congo and is engaged in more wars than any other country. Can an US citizen really criticize other countries for being fascist? p.s. the data is good

If europe sides with China, they will eventually be cutoff like what is happening with China. It will take a couple of decades and I don't see it turning around to go back at this point.

The question for Europeans will be which market they prefer to do business in. Are you so sure you prefer your current choices? Does your country have memories from Stalin and Lenin? That's the type of communism you are getting with CCP with a huge helping of corporate espionage, manipulation, and double standards.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by bad_user »

intended wrote: post #525
bad_user wrote: post #505

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Well no, a claim is made and that is... unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. And this is then used as an argument in debates such as this one. Are there documented cases of this happening or is it just a wild guess? My bet is on the later.

There is empirical evidence from the multiple natural experiments that happened on subreddits at the start of Reddit. I personally had to come up with arguments to justifiably censor people to stop the sub I became a part of, from becoming more of a chess pool. I was a card carrying member of the market place of ideas/ free speech camp till 12-13 years ago, at which point it was clearer to me that giving free speech…

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by verdverm »

chinesempire wrote: post #540
verdverm wrote: post #457

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Everyone has problems, your comment is off topic and does not enhance the conversation.

> Everyone has problems But very few countries have homicide rates worse than US and lower life expectancy, despite having the highest spending per capita in health care in the World So maybe before criticizing, fix your own problems. Assuming you can.

Like rubber to glue, bounces off of me and back to you?

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Post by systemvoltage »

vslira wrote: post #508
systemvoltage wrote: post #370

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While I agree about symmetric response to China, here is the problem: > By banning more advanced, foreign competitors, India gives its local entrepreneurs a chance to grow hugely successful domestic apps, which can then compete internationally. If India bans international apps from competing within India, wouldn't Indian apps from these new found enterpreneurs expect the same response from other countries? There is a…

There's no paradox here. The balkanization of the web is a foregone conclusion. And not just between geopolitical rivals: the EU is dead set on creating a local version of FAANG companies.

EU creating its own FAANG would be a great thing for consumers - more competition. Americans wouldn’t mind using EU based services. I personally already use one such critical service - Email.

When you turn inwards(like China) and then expect widespread adoption and cooperation whilst banning domestic competition, do you really think that’s better for India?

India has the capability to compete at the global level without turning inwards. Entrepreneurs in India can and will compete internationally. When you have virtually no international competition, the overall incentive to compete is reduced and the quality with it.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by mappum »

This is fascinating - I have been quantitatively tracking TikTok trends and Indian songs consistently top the charts on TikTok by view counts. This will displace many Indian TikTok users and either a new platform will spring up, or Indians will get slightly better at using VPNs (just like internet users in China).

(For the curious, my TikTok data is shared here: https://tiktometer.com)

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Post by verdverm »

mateus1 wrote: post #520
mthoms wrote: post #466

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TikTok is controlled by an authoritarian dictatorship engaged in a war against Western/Democratic values and human rights.

Many around of the world see the US also an authoritarian state with little regard for human rights.

Many also ask the US for assistance and see it as a guiding light. A lot of people are upset about the visa changes, there's a reason for that, yes?

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Post by alasdair_ »

stickfigure wrote: post #496
im3w1l wrote: post #426

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All American companies move in lockstep. We see one company after another pull out of facebook advertising very quickly last week. They work together as a group with a consistent goal. This week we saw one social media platform after another ban the same people. The North American cartel moves together as one, once again. You can host your own videos but if you do expect to be banned by paypal and mastercard and visa…

A few high profile companies deciding to stop advertising on Facebook is not "All American companies move in lockstep". Thousands of companies still advertise on Facebook, and Facebook is still doing fine. Tell me what kind of videos you'll be banned by payments companies over, please. Because I used to run the (at the time) biggest BDSM porn company on the internet, and yes we took credit cards. There is no "North A…

> Tell me what kind of videos you'll be banned by payments companies over, please.

Videos showing American war crimes, specifically the “capital murder” video on wikileaks, which caused visa, paypal and mastercard to all pull the ability to use their services to donate to wikileaks.

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