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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by Ghjklov »

cmonnow wrote: post #484
panopticon wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a really wild stance to take on a paradox. Paradoxes aren't principles, laws, or theories. They're just self-contradictory or logically contrary statements; they don't require "empirical evidence" outside of the reasoning laid out in the paradox itself. It would be better to say that people shouldn't use a paradox as evidence for something (e.g., claim aliens must exist because of Fermi's Paradox).

> paradox of tolerance Unnecessary use of the 'paradox' label. If a criminal shoots a cop, that is violence. If a cop shoots the criminal back, is that the 'paradox of violence' ? If a surgeon cuts open a patient with a knife, to treat a tumor, is that the 'paradox of violence' ? Violence used to curb violence is peace. Peace used to ignore violence is violence. There is nothing 'paradoxical' about not tolerating the…

You had me until here:

>Violence used to curb violence is peace. Peace used to ignore violence is violence.

So an eye for an eye, eh? And if I use my eye to look away, I also deserve to lose it? I think you are a dangerous fellow. I'd sooner allow someone to say some mean things on the internet than let someone like you ever get into a position of power.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by LockAndLol »

krn wrote: post #360

A reddit user, who claims to have reverse-engineered the TikTok app[1], concluded: > TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it. > For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikT…

> TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it.

They might as well be describing Facebook or Google. They are data harvesting services - first and foremost. The actual applications are only the bait yet since they're owned by the country that makes those great movies and TV series, somehow, they aren't as bad.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by mda »

numpad0 wrote: post #351
dathinab wrote: post #320

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Good point. But YouTube is not controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government which has a world view in direct opposition to what you could refer handwaveingly as "western" and is currently pushing to become the dominant power in the world. If you furthermore consider how bad the "western world" (mainly Britten and the East India Company) had treated it in the past, some aspects of the Chinese culture and the…

Since you mention East India Company, what makes YouTube different from them?

You probably got the top point on the subject of "Compare the youtube with X, What about youtube they are Y" award with this one in the thread. There are quite a few of them with a spectrum of insanity, but this one is just hilarious.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by bad_user »

panopticon wrote: post #467
bad_user wrote: post #242

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The paradox of tolerance is bullshit though, as it's not based on empirical evidence. It's just armchair philosophy used as justification for intolerance by intellectuals, the mental gymnastic people need to get over their cognitive dissonance. AFAIK Plato came up with it to justify autocracy. That says it all actually.

This seems like a really wild stance to take on a paradox. Paradoxes aren't principles, laws, or theories. They're just self-contradictory or logically contrary statements; they don't require "empirical evidence" outside of the reasoning laid out in the paradox itself. It would be better to say that people shouldn't use a paradox as evidence for something (e.g., claim aliens must exist because of Fermi's Paradox).

Well no, a claim is made and that is... unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. And this is then used as an argument in debates such as this one.

Are there documented cases of this happening or is it just a wild guess?

My bet is on the later.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by ciarannolan »

Udik wrote: post #495
ciarannolan wrote: post #374

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Relationship It's always disappointing commenting on HN only to get reddit/twitter "zinger" replies.

You entirely missed my point: I'm not questioning the existence of a "special relationship", I'm asking if it's based on "values". What values does the US share with the UK more than with most other western countries?

I don't think there was really a point to be missed.

If you have a point, go ahead and make it.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by crispyporkbites »

factorialboy wrote: post #129
crispyporkbites wrote: post #125

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I wouldn’t compare onlyfans to prostitution, it’s not the same as going out on the street. If anything it’s empowering.

Not for a 9 yr old.

I guess we should ban all adult apps and services. Think of the children.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by vslira »

systemvoltage wrote: post #370
riverlong wrote: post #356

I'm seeing lots of comments about national security-style concerns, and framing this in terms of the recent India-China skirmishes. That all makes sense. Where I think a lot of folks are missing the point is that this is also a tremendous boost to local Indian entrepreneurship. One of the really clever aspects of China's Great Firewall is that it keeps out international competition, which would crush local startups.…

While I agree about symmetric response to China, here is the problem: > By banning more advanced, foreign competitors, India gives its local entrepreneurs a chance to grow hugely successful domestic apps, which can then compete internationally. If India bans international apps from competing within India, wouldn't Indian apps from these new found enterpreneurs expect the same response from other countries? There is a…

There's no paradox here. The balkanization of the web is a foregone conclusion. And not just between geopolitical rivals: the EU is dead set on creating a local version of FAANG companies.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by im3w1l »

stx wrote: post #455
im3w1l wrote: post #426

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All American companies move in lockstep. We see one company after another pull out of facebook advertising very quickly last week. They work together as a group with a consistent goal. This week we saw one social media platform after another ban the same people. The North American cartel moves together as one, once again. You can host your own videos but if you do expect to be banned by paypal and mastercard and visa…

> Chinese companies offer real competition to that. Chinese companies are very good for my political freedom. I would not totally agree with that statement. In some ways I may be able to speak more freely as a foreigner on Chinese run platforms because China might not care to suppress the same news that American run platforms would try to suppress. I would not agree that they offer political freedom. The CCP does not…

I'm not going to say Chinese companies are better than American. But having both available is better for me than only having American.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by class4behavior »

cmonnow wrote: post #483
mathnmusic wrote: post #80

I think this sort of response was inevitable and will be seen in more and more nations. China bans most of the popular websites and apps (including Wikipedia). The most recent trigger was the border standoff between India and China where Indian citizens could see and read both governments' responses, but Chinese citizens were only told Chinese govt's talking points. This seems like yet another instance of the paradox…

> paradox of tolerance Unnecessary use of the 'paradox' label. If a criminal shoots a cop, that is violence. If a cop shoots the criminal back, is that the 'paradox of violence' ? If a surgeon cuts open a patient with a knife, to treat a tumor, is that the 'paradox of violence' ? Violence used to curb violence is peace. Peace used to ignore violence is violence. There is nothing 'paradoxical' about not tolerating the…

>Unnecessary use of the 'paradox' label.

No, it is not. You just didn't read up what the paradox is—or what a paradox is for that matter.

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