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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by zo1 »

slg wrote: post #384
iratewizard wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were several posts predicting this exact outcome yesterday on subreddits drama. The people close to the pulse knew.

Do you care to point to something that backs up that claim? I can't find any mention on that subreddit about anything relating to Youtube or Twitch bans. https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2F... https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr...

Posts about it have been flying for about a day or two now. Example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1s...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by HaloZero »

disposekinetics wrote: post #329
sweetheart wrote: post #308

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How so?

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At least Marxism tries to make a utopia for everyone (and fails) vs Klan tries to make a "utopia" for only white people. If you want to base on purely aims and purpose.

If you want to base it on application/reality, the Klan and white supremacist have murdered a lot more people than Marxists in the past 20 years in the United States (maybe not always the case but I don't have that data). Maybe in a country like India where Marxism and armed rebellion are a more real threat I can see your point but the Klan doesn't operation in India.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by phonypc »

empath75 wrote: post #523
skinkestek wrote: post #445

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> It is a win for the far-right to have y'all here on HN "disagree with them but still believe they should be here and not on the fringe". Just FTR we are pretty far from accepting the far right here on HN: tptacek shared some interesting research he'd done a couple of hours ago and it might be of interest to everyone here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23681929

People reliably will come out to defend white nationalists in every topic it comes up here. And people denouncing white nationalists will be voted down.

I don't think I've even seen an explicitly racist post here, despite having dead comments turned on, maybe excepting obvious trolling or spam. Implicitly racist posts are usually downvoted.

I have seen downvoted replies that nonsensically infer racism in a post. I suspect that's how I would describe what you're thinking of.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by sinker »

cjslep wrote: post #254

When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

So long as YouTube issues bans to users that are as egregiously racist as klan members I see no problem.

I don't know any of these people, but if they are undeniably white supremacists, then it's a hard sell to dispute this individual action.

But another argument lies in the policy of bans for certain types of speech, and that's the argument that's more pertinent. If we accept that YouTube can ban users for hate speech, then we also accept that YouTube is the arbiter of what constitutes hate speech.

The question at hand is if we can deem YouTube a fair judge.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by baddox »

skinkestek wrote: post #519
iron0013 wrote: post #483

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He made a claim, but he didn’t actually share any of his research or data.

I'm fairly certain he can stand for it. Also, tptacek is fairly far to the left it seems (in an American context) so it actually surprised me quite a bit that he'd write that. Based on that last observation I think most of us can agree, can't we?

I don't agree that the validity of his claim depends in any way on his character, reputation, or personal political views. The validity of a claim is independent of any attribute of the person making the claim. The only way to make any judgment about the claim is to see the data and methodology.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Ghjklov »

skinkestek wrote: post #559
Ghjklov wrote: post #534

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Somehow we have the opposite experience. One day, I'll see people claim HN is a safespace for socialists/communist lefties and another day it's a white nationalist haven. Which is it? :P

dang has commented on this a lot lately and he says it is because we see the other side much easier than our own side. I agree with him to a large degree: I personally see mostly problematic content from the left[0] but I guess that is partly my bias. [0]: for example this comment earlier today that I thought[1] was absolutely crazy "I don't want to participate in spaces where religious white nationalists feel safe"…

While it's a euphemism for nazi, I hope you don't just assume that it's appropriate to use "white nationalist" to mean "nazi". Just because other people are being stupid doesn't mean we have to. A white nationalist could be from any political faction and could have different ideas for economic policy. A National Socialist is a very specific kind of person.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by jahaja »

disposekinetics wrote: post #429
ohgodplsno wrote: post #398

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Dead is dead, it doesn't matter if it's the klan's racial hatred, or if the eye of the party has randomly decided you are the kulak today.

The USSR are no role model for modern leftists no matter how many times you folks repeat it.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by pjc50 »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #433
tptacek wrote: post #159

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Alex Jones lent a camera crew to Wolfgang Halbig when he travelled to Newtown, CT to harass the parents of the first graders murdered in the Sandy Hook shooting. Years and years from now those sites you're referring to will still bear the shame of not having banned him earlier.

In my opinion, while a low point even for a high-functioning schizophrenic with a talk show, that is still small potatoes compared to the journalists who repeated the 'WMD's line. And no one is calling for them to be deplatformed.

Publishing official government statements is bad, including when there is no sane way to independently verify them, but slander you've just made up is fine?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by AlexandrB »

contrapunter wrote: post #542
iron0013 wrote: post #490

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That’s how you personally might classify him, but many would disagree with you. To my eye, for one, it seems quite obvious that Molyneux is a far-right figure.

Nah; I've listened to a number of his shows. He's a popular political commentator who is anti-communist/leftwing -- that's why they banned him.

You should check out some of the Stefan Molyneux quotes the SPLC has gathered: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/indi...

An example:

> "Screaming 'racism' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent...is insane."

These all have associated YouTube video links - which are now taken down it seems.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by baddox »

pjc50 wrote: post #551
empath75 wrote: post #523

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People reliably will come out to defend white nationalists in every topic it comes up here. And people denouncing white nationalists will be voted down.

Not exactly .. people will come out to defend "free speech". But somehow the cause in question is nearly always far right.

Lots of people seem to conflate how bad someone's speech is with how "free" it is.
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