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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by pgcj_poster »

Edd314159 wrote: post #5
fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

If you believe that free markets result in a fair outcome, eventually you have to come up with an explanation for why black and brown people have much lower economic and social status in Western capitalist countries. Broadly speaking, there's only a few possibilities:

1. Free markets can result in unfair outcomes in the face of prejudice or historical inequalities.

2. Racial inequality is caused entirely by government regulation.

3. The system works fine as it is, and some minorities just deserve lower status because they're lazy or have low IQs or something.

The most hardcore Libertarians reject (1) because it could potentially justify government intervention. Most of them turn to (2), but since that's a bit of tough argument to make, a few go to (3) instead. And once you decide that minorities are just inferior, it's a pretty straight line from there to white nationalism.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by contrapunter »

cjslep wrote: post #254

When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

Important to recognise that Stefan Molyneux is not far-right, whether or not the far-right are encouraged by his YT channel deletion. I would classify him as an atheist/libertarian.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by iron0013 »

skinkestek wrote: post #445
cjslep wrote: post #254

When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

> It is a win for the far-right to have y'all here on HN "disagree with them but still believe they should be here and not on the fringe". Just FTR we are pretty far from accepting the far right here on HN: tptacek shared some interesting research he'd done a couple of hours ago and it might be of interest to everyone here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23681929

He made a claim, but he didn’t actually share any of his research or data.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

mempko wrote: post #223
anticonformist wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public square is owned by private companies and they're enforcing anti-first amendment principles. One can't even argue that these banned people can move to another platform if they're all coordinating. Leftist extremists are effecting public banishment of their rightist extremist opponents. It wouldn't be as bad if leftist extremists were getting banned at the same time. The problem is that leftist extremists ha…

but isn't the world of "private property" what the right wants? This kind of world, where there are no longer any public squares, but everything held in private is the world the right asks for. This is the kind of world we end up with. The irony should not be lost on them right?

It's not right-wing as much as a particular kind of very free-market-focused libertarianism. But, yes, I've thought about this discrepancy, too.

In practice, big services like YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, et. al., are going to get heat from all sides of the political spectrum. Right-wingers are positive Twitter is suppressing them, yet left-wingers frequently complain Jack Dorsey is a cryptofascist. Both of them are pushing these theories on... Twitter. And they get thousands of retweets. You would think that irony would not be lost on them, but you would be oh so wrong.

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Post by techntoke »

Avamander wrote: post #321
ars wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority Are they serious? So basically racism is OK as long as it's toward people who are the majority?

Yes. The rule basically says that you can't be racist towards white people.

Asians are the majority, not white people.

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Post by archagon »

Ghjklov wrote: post #477
archagon wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"White" is a catch-all term for light-skinned ethnic groups with "defaultness" in American society. There is no such thing as "white history," "white heritage," or "white culture," except in opposition to "non-default" ethnic groups. If you change the founding principle to "we want our community to be largely Russian," that would be totally fine by me. Additionally, opposition to the "largely black" founding principl…

I think this is a copout answer. "White" usually refers to people of European heritage who have lighter skin in America.

What do generic "Europeans" have in common with each other? As a Russian, I feel like my culture overlaps relatively little with French, German, or English. Moreover, which parts of "Europe" are actually included in this taxonomy? Are Romani considered white? What about Southern Italians? Black people in France? It all boils down to "people of European heritage with white skin (whose ancestors wrote books and stuff that I like)," which is wishy-washy and tautological.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

Karunamon wrote: post #460
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we can never denounce hatred and bigotry without being hypocritical? We don't want to be hypocritical, right? So we should never denounce hatred and bigotry! Brilliant! I am super, super tired of "if you denounce bigots that makes you just as bad as them."

If you can't denounce without getting into dehumanization, you're guilty of exactly the same kind of hate that the most virulent racists in history are guilty of. It's never okay. Not for any reason.

I didn't use the word "dehumanize," did I?

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Post by tathougies »

gguevaraa wrote: post #246

Christ, spez is getting hammered in the announcements. I mean seriously, he's basically saying it's alright to be discriminatory against the "majority", whatever that means. Dude doesn't even clarify what that means, just skirts around the question. Lot of people are wondering why r/BlackPeopleTwitter or r/politics haven't been banned despite blatant racism or calls to violence. People are pretty pissed at spez, to s…

Well women make up a larger percentage of the population than men. So is misogyny allowed on reddit openly now? Great... EDIT: This was sarcasm.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Faark »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #433
tptacek wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones lent a camera crew to Wolfgang Halbig when he travelled to Newtown, CT to harass the parents of the first graders murdered in the Sandy Hook shooting. Years and years from now those sites you're referring to will still bear the shame of not having banned him earlier.

In my opinion, while a low point even for a high-functioning schizophrenic with a talk show, that is still small potatoes compared to the journalists who repeated the 'WMD's line. And no one is calling for them to be deplatformed.

Figuring out a widely held opinion is wrong is actually not that easy. As such I have a lot more acceptance for those being wrong while promoting the status quo than those intentionally pushing the overton window. The latter is what should require commitment/conviction, to weed out the bad. And seems to be what is getting axed right now.

Investing into shitty companies will make you loose your investment. Why should this be different with ideas?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by iron0013 »

contrapunter wrote: post #482
cjslep wrote: post #254

When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

Important to recognise that Stefan Molyneux is not far-right, whether or not the far-right are encouraged by his YT channel deletion. I would classify him as an atheist/libertarian.

That’s how you personally might classify him, but many would disagree with you. To my eye, for one, it seems quite obvious that Molyneux is a far-right figure.
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