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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

For someone who has mostly sat on the sidelines of these debates, the coordination is really disturbing. Who is pulling the strings here?

The boogie man, no doubt

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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If you're asking how people can hold contradictory ideas... then I'd invite you do some self reflection. You probably hold some. We all do. Striving towards clarity of thought takes a while. As for white supremacists in specific, let's take David Duke and Richard Spencer for example. (As you agreed above they were white supremacists) Both of these people claim to believe in science and reason, yet also believe in the…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

A book riddled with methodological errors, and not even peer reviewed, does not a good post make

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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>The problem is they are not approaching the left's extremists with the same fervor This is a false equivalence. The worst of the alt-right are far, far worse than the worst of the extreme left (antifa, maybe? Though there is no alt-left). Good riddance to them, I say. If you want to lead the KKK, and advocate for a white ethnostate, I won't lose any sleep when you can't post videos trying to convince others of the s…

> This is a false equivalence. The worst of the alt-right are far, far worse than the worst of the extreme left (antifa, maybe? Though there is no alt-left). Nope it’s just equivalence: https://panampost.com/panam-staff/2020/06/23/the-links-betwe... (FWIW: I’m quite pro-BLM. I don’t believe in guilt by association. My point is that there are high-profile people in relatively mainstream organizations that are proponen…

Those things are literally not related, and, conveniently enough, panampost if a far right "news" website.

Supporting Maduro doesn't invalidate their fight. Supporting marxism doesn't invalidate their fight. Supporting Cuba doesn't invalidate their fight.

Oh, by the way, those three are countries or ideologies the US have actively tried to destroy. Should I go and make my own website claiming the US government for dozens of years has been the number one exporter of terrorism in the world ?

Oh, right, it actually is. And still, it's still not related to the damn subject.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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You implied they were true (or at least questioned it). I gave my arguments as to why I think they are both false, A) being a lack of evidence, B) imperialism as a more believable explanation with more evidence. Ball is in your court

I agree that both of Stefan's claims are more likely to be false. But as factual claims I think they are better dealt with by arguing against them rather than simply banning. Of course, one can make a factual claim in bad faith in order to stoke controversy. It would be nice to limit this, but it happens so often and I don't see a principled way to prohibit them as a class. On the other hand, I don't see how someone…

Parent simply asked for citations on the ideological leanings of Molyneux. I make no claims on how best to to regulate the massive multinational corporations who control what amounts to the digital commons, as I have no answer :)

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

"Just because they're the problem doesn't mean we aren't."

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-problem

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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But that policy is not even talking about racism, however defined; it's talking about hate. Hate is hate, no matter who it's directed to. Prejudice is prejudice.

Except it's apparently fine to hate the haters. Dehumanization is alive and well, even among progressives.

So we can never denounce hatred and bigotry without being hypocritical? We don't want to be hypocritical, right? So we should never denounce hatred and bigotry! Brilliant!

I am super, super tired of "if you denounce bigots that makes you just as bad as them."

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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They did not ban racist subreddits like /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/fragilewhiteredditor. If you don't know, to post on /r/blackpeopletwitter you have to send a photo of your skin color to the moderators. They are literally racially segregating users.

“While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.” https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc...

I've commented about this on HN earlier. Censorship will end up swallowing us all.

Now I guess it's ok to hate me as I'm part of several majorities and people seems to like it.

What am I supposed to do now? Hate myself? Allow others to discriminate me? Make a blind eye to those who think it's ok to hate me?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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"hate speech" is a made up word and neither illegal or "bad". You're applauding a rebranded social score and a secondary justice system.

> "hate speech" is a made up word

Most words and phrases were made up, at some point. "Hate speech" still has a coherent meaning.

> and neither illegal

Nobody said it was illegal. YouTube is free to ban content creators that haven't broken the law. You agree to those terms when you use the site.

> or "bad"

I understand that the phrase "hate speech" confuses you. But these content creators openly advocate white supremacism. If you don't think that is "bad" I think you should take a deep look inward.

> You're applauding

Yes.

> a rebranded social score

No. YouTube is not assigning a "social score" - they are refusing to pay web hosting fees for racists. That has no effect on any other aspect of these people's lives - their ability to find jobs, make friends, start businesses, etc. is unaffected.

> and a secondary justice system

The comparison of YouTube consequences to the justice system is laughable. YouTube is saying "host your content elsewhere, there are lots of options." The justice system hands down things like forced confinement and the death penalty. There is really no comparison.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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That is an increasingly cynical view to expose given that the people who decide to do that just get blacklisted by the financial elite. https://twitter.com/TheEbonyMaw/status/1277120076186112000 , https://reclaimthenet.org/gab-andrew-torba-visa-blacklisted-...

Bitcoin fixes this.

I would say a cryptocurrency with more throughput than a 144p youtube video could confront this.
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