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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by viraptor »

zozbot234 wrote: post #121
Causality1 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy. Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

You see these I.Q. numbers posted around the Internet all the time, but few will mention that they are also highly suspect, to the point of being just about worthless.

Here's a relevant thread about some popular papers that made the low numbers known https://twitter.com/spiantado/status/1275783954411347968

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by opnitro »

pingpongchef wrote: post #221
opnitro wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"“...the Germans were in danger of being taken over by what they perceived as Jewish-led Communism. And Jewish-led Communism had wiped out tens of millions of white Christians in Russia and they were afraid of the same thing. And there was this wild overreaction and all this kind of stuff." Yeah he's a white supremacist. White supremacy (and associated Fascism), tend to believe in contradictory narratives about their…

If white supremacists can believe contradictory ideas and still be white supremacists, then how are we to determine who is and isn't? By this logic there's no evidence you could give me to prove you're not a white supremacist since contradictions. I don't mean that as a personal attack, but I hope you see how untenable such a line of thinking is. Also, I do understand the possibility that someone could claim to belie…

If you're asking how people can hold contradictory ideas... then I'd invite you do some self reflection. You probably hold some. We all do. Striving towards clarity of thought takes a while.

As for white supremacists in specific, let's take David Duke and Richard Spencer for example. (As you agreed above they were white supremacists) Both of these people claim to believe in science and reason, yet also believe in the superiority of the white race.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by syshum »

DiffEq wrote: post #55
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

Not sure why people would down vote you - these are private companies we are talking about and they can do what they want I suppose. However I think the real rub here, that people seem to to have a hard time expressing, is that these platforms are blatantly hypocritical in what they allow or don't allow.

>Not sure why people would down vote you

Because the entire argument is a strawman that censorship advocates often use

"bruh its a private platform they can do what they want" has the implication that people are calling for the government to step in to block YT actions

No one has, people are critical of YT's policy, simply because they have a "right" to do it does not exclude them from public criticism

Saying "bruh its a private platform they can do what they want" is a pointless observation in the context of this discussion

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Yhippa »

chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

I have a vision for what could end up happening. We will see a bifurcation of Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and Reddit into a conservative and liberal version. There appear to be many (apparently unsuccessful) attempts right now to do exactly that. The recent swath of bans could change that however.

It's not too dissimilar to message board culture from the aughts. You essentially had federated versions of Reddit. It looks like we're destined for that again because people can't stop peeing in the grownups pool.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by toxik »

absurdturd wrote: post #80
nailer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "adjacent" concept has no meaning. Paraphrasing a point I made on Twitter recently: - Richard Spencer: evil. Created 'alt right' movement. - Ben Shapiro: called 'alt right' because he's right wing - Joe Rogan: called 'alt right' because he talked to Ben - Bernie Sanders supporters: called 'alt right' because Joe endorsed Bernie. Ergo: by this logic Karl Marx could be considered 'alt right' Molyneaux might be awf…

He didn't "talk" to Ben, he broadcast Ben's ideas to millions of listeners (the majority of which happen to be white).

Joe Rogan is now alt right? That is a quixotic ambition. Let the fools make fools of themselves. When there are stupid ideas proposed in the podcast, I just laugh at it or talk to somebody about it.

As an example, I listened to one of those white supremacy former academics, can’t remember who, and he quips midway through the lecture that Western society developed faster because... we are unique in having a sense of shame. I kid you not. It doesn’t take a neurosurgeon to detect bullshit.

Rogan talks to interesting guests all the time, if you label him adversarial, you will have rejected a lot of people.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by danmg »

rickbutton wrote: post #58
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.

What was the problem with /r/ConsumeProduct exactly?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by erichocean »

thinkingemote wrote: post #207

Have twitch and YouTube also followed Reddit in allowing hate speech again majority groups? I mean the action is coordinated but have the policies?

I don't think so, the policies are set by each social media company, but the targets of those policies are primarily determined by the SPLC and the ADL.

This makes hate speech enforcement fair and uniform across all of the major social networks, and also reduces liability for the social networks since they can point to an objective 3rd-party as the cause of the suspensions.

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Post by renewiltord »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #101
renewiltord wrote: post #60

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It's a free society. If you don't like someone else's house party, build your own. thedonald.win is one such thing.

That is an increasingly cynical view to expose given that the people who decide to do that just get blacklisted by the financial elite. https://twitter.com/TheEbonyMaw/status/1277120076186112000 , https://reclaimthenet.org/gab-andrew-torba-visa-blacklisted-...

It's like everything about ads and tracking: your business model is not my problem. Some businesses are just unviable. Compete or die.

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Post by staticassertion »

vageli wrote: post #203
robotron wrote: post #162

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I don't mind purging ideologies that are about racial superiority. Erase that shit.

It is crazy to think that ideas can be extinguished. These purges will serve to further concentrate and radicalize the adherents to these ideologies. edit : I may have been wrong, it seems deplatforming might work. [0] TIL! I had often read that echo chambers exacerbated radicalization but it seems more research has yielded better data to turn over that conclusion. edit1 : it seems like radicalization is more nuanced…

Is there evidence of this? It seems like there are two views - that having an "open market of ideas" to debate things is how we should move forward, or that deplatforming is the way to move forward.
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