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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Here is what Reddit said directly, vs through a media outlet - https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/hi3oht/updat...

The inactive claim is hilarious, let's remove all the mods so you have to close the community so we can claim you are inactive... The funny thing was they removed mods because of the lack of moderation... which was unfounded as they never said what content went unmoderated. It's annoying to be persecuted based on political ideology, but we all know what Reddit is now, the most extreme liberal echo-chamber on the inte…

HN is apparently another extremely liberal echo chamber. Just look at those downvotes.

That's why I hang out where there is no voting, popularity contest, virtue signalling, or other nonsense.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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The title should be updated, as T_D was just one of a large number of subs banned today; even then, it has been largely irrelevant since the admins' earlier decision to quarantine it and impose other restrictions. Other larger banned subs include /r/GenderCritical (anti-Trans) and /r/ConsumeProduct which was ostensibly for criticism of consumerism and product promotion, but hid a large strain of antisemitism below th…

My perusal of Chapo Trap House was a lot of people un-ironically wishing that gulags came back and certain people were thrown into them. Just because communists did them, doesn’t mean you aren’t advocating for concentration camps, left-wing or not.

That was most definitely ironic, for the most part. Any irony on the internet attracts those that believe it un-ironically, however.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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It went into both extremes unfortunately (the other extreme being the rise of militant SJWs).

There's no militant SJWs in the highest political office in the country. There's not even any in Congress.

They don't have to be to cause damage to society (which they are).

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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The inactive claim is hilarious, let's remove all the mods so you have to close the community so we can claim you are inactive... The funny thing was they removed mods because of the lack of moderation... which was unfounded as they never said what content went unmoderated. It's annoying to be persecuted based on political ideology, but we all know what Reddit is now, the most extreme liberal echo-chamber on the inte…

T_D wasn't banned because it was inactive. spez's post says, "All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity." They weren't banned for political ideology, they were banned for doxxing, fear mongering, and generally being a community full of toxic posts. That's the reason it was banned, and good riddance.

That was the reason stated, which is not the same as it being the actual reason. This is the strategy being imposed against conservative voices at large.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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I did and I was left satisfied. I wanted to see their viewpoint on at the time "the hot topic" and confirm my suspicions that I truly don't consider their viewpoint rational or valid. It's like they start from a conclusion and work backwards to excuse it.

> It's like they start from a conclusion and work backwards to excuse it. Without getting into any of the politics, isn't this exactly what you said you did in the preceding sentence? > I wanted to see their viewpoint on at the time "the hot topic" and confirm my suspicions that I truly don't consider their viewpoint rational or valid.

But generally these ideas are immediately discountable by reality. T_D was generally conspiracy theories or even if there is an attempt at some genuine political or economic discussion, its never fact based (or cherry picked/lie through ommision/or presenting a paper thats 50+ years old as if its true in light of new evidence). How can you even give those sorts of opinion credence? If those posts were made in good faith, then those people are ignorant, but that's just giving too much credit.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

There is a right way to do this which minimizes the issues, but it's counter-intuitive: reflect the negative aspects of The_Donald. It's called "closed loop hypocrisy" and the theory is that all negativity or opposition is inherently hypocritical (given we are all very similar in the end). But being hypocritical does not mean opposition is bad , if anything the issue is long loop hypocrisy where someone pretends to b…

"closed loop hypocrisy" sounds intriguing and is exactly the kind of counter-intuitive idea I'm drawn to.

I'm not sure I entirely follow your explanation and Google is not bringing up much. Do you have a link to a longer explanation of some kind?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

This resonates with my experience moderating a local facebook group. I get attacked and threatened by racist instigators and BLM supporters alike because people feel that any moderation against them is solidarity with the other side. I point to the group rules violated and they still assume bias on my part. I AM biased (in favor of BLM) but still get treated like crap when I'm doing my best to moderate fairly, for fr…

This is exactly why moderators ultimately quit and are replaced by activists with no interest in balanced speech.

Any platform with unpaid moderators tends to biased activism.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. It was very clearly a real community, as you can see evidence from the fact that they migrated to thedonald.win when Reddit made it clear that they wouldn't be treated fairly. > So you'd be in your other community and one day they all show up and down votes and the vitriol begins... it was no mystery that this happened, it was spoken of openly in The_Donald…

> from any subreddit that toes their party line There's plenty of right-leaning subreddits. What set The_Donald apart was how close it sailed to being outright cultishly crazy.

How many left-leaning subreddits were banned? There're several toxic commie subs with a lot of hatred thrown around, but nobody seems to care. r/politics was default for ages and it wasn't exactly a welcoming place.
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