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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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If black people (or perhaps more specifically, subreddits focused on issues pertinent to black communities) were banned on reddit, but they had a much smaller website where they could discuss issues, would it be an outcome that supported their free speech?

Trump is the president of the United States, Republicans have both the Senate and the Supreme Court, and I can barely go two seconds without hearing the perspective of people who voted for Trump. There is an entire news network that acts in an almost official capacity as the Republican party press arm. What on earth makes you think Reddit is the only major place that people could discuss "issues"?

You mean the Senate, not the House

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It was largely empty after the quarantine. I always wondered what the actual population of that sub was, I felt like I saw some strange patterns where whole hordes of users would appear, disappear, mob another sub and so on. It felt like a very non organic community in many ways. The issues surroundings that sub weren't just some folks who had a sub to talk to each other, they were very busy mobbing / taking over oth…

Well they broke off and made their own website after the quarantine and it's on it's way to the top-1000 US sites (alexa rank).

What site is that? And is that actual organic users, or a ton of bot traffic?

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#114
Without getting into the weeds, I just don’t see why we accepted that the internet should be one giant message board. We seem to do this over and over with stuff like Reddit and Facebook, but once upon a time communities would be their own site with their own message board.

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#115

Why is the article so cagey about mentioning what the successor is, while mentioning two other sites, Gab and Parler, that are equally controversial? It seems like a basic failure of factual journalism to say "[r/The_Donald's] volunteer moderators and much of the community had left in recent months, moving to a website that mimics Reddit’s system of conversation and user voting on content but appears to have fewer ru…

They take perverse glee in being named, because it attracts more bad actors to their cause and strengthens their ability to harm others. By naming their site openly here, you too are now helping them market to HN readers. Why would you do so voluntarily here?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

#116
I'm actually curious how conspiracy subs continually skate through these ban-waves. Even if you discount all of the dog whistles, you can find normal whistles scattered throughout the place: echoes and charts showing who in the media is Jewish are the two most common.

Yet they always stay around.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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>“It’s one of the founding principles of Reddit to foster [political] discussion,” Huffman said in the call with reporters.

Ironically, /r/The_Donald highlighted a key flaw in reddit's system: moderators.

Moderators in reddit's sub vary from being totally absent to all-controlling. /r/The_Donald's mods were at the very far end of the controlling spectrum. For example, back in the early days of the sub, before Trump was even elected, one of their posts showed up on /r/all (Anything highly voted on any subreddit can show up there). Somebody was gushing about "The Art of the Deal". I replied to them that they should check out some of Tony Schwartz's other books and was immediately banned from /r/The_Donald for life. The post in which I said this was removed. People went on gushing about the brilliance of Trump.

Moderators on reddit are not selected or paid. They "volunteer". They have absolute control over who posts and what is posted in their sub. There is zero transparency. Users can't see what moderators are doing. The end result is that a sub is as biased as it's moderators. The thing is, reddit subs are like communities. People who post in a sub regularly get upvotes for conforming to the sub's biases, downvotes for struggling against them, and see only what the moderators let them see. Pretty soon their views conform to those of the moderators. /r/The_Donald allowed some pretty crazy people to polarize a lot of other people who were probably a lot more balanced in their political views before Reddit came along.

For this reason, I no longer post in or read Reddit's political subs. Most subs seem better than /r/The_Donald, but you simply don't know what the mods are doing to shape your views. Personal experience has led me to believe /r/Canada also has some really bad moderators right now, and you can see the tone of that sub gradually changing over time. It's simply unacceptable to place this much trust in people who are totally anonymous.

So, where do I get my political news from? Newspapers. I read several sources distributed from left-centre to right-centre on mediabiasfactcheck.com's ratings. Dead tree media may have corporate biases and a host of other problems but, at least, you can begin to get a handle on who they are and what their biases are. Also, by removing the upvote system from the mix, you don't have meaningless internet points serving as both carrot and stick to make you subconsciously conform.

Bottom line, Reddit is for cat gifs and people smacking each other in the nuts. It is not a safe place to get your politics from.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet (and Reddit itself) was rather different in 2012.

The whole US was definitely different, Mitt Romney to Donald Trump is quite an extreme transition.

It went into both extremes unfortunately (the other extreme being the rise of militant SJWs).

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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I'm confused by the article. My understanding was that reddit replaced the moderators of /r/The_Donald months ago after initially making in quarantined. The Wikipedia article seems to agree with my understanding: > In February 26, 2020, Reddit administrators removed a number of r/The_Donald moderators "that were approving, stickying, and generally supporting content in this subreddit that breaks [Reddit's] content po…

You're right. The_Donald has been dead for months due to the above-mentioned restrictions on submissions, moderator removal, and moving to a different site. If they're getting banned now it's for something that was done months ago.

I think it’s worth mentioning the Reddit reason for initial quarantine was “anti police” comments.

MediaMatters / ShareBlue wrote an article about how anti police the sub was referencing two downvoted but not deleted comments. The entire sub was always pro law and order.

Reddit put very heavy limits on the sub for that.

Which is pretty damn funny to me - because right now on every single popular sub there are “all cops are bastards”, “kill all police”, “the only good cop is a dead cop” in any thread that even sort of tangentially references police.

I don’t care much either way. But the massive hypocrisy is there. No one has the balls to say “we just don’t want this on our platform”.

A couple months after the quarantine, Reddit admins changed the reason on the disclaimer before entering from “anti police comments” to “rule breaking”.

It shows me the weak moral character of the people in charge... and why I don’t want these people getting to decide what is right and wrong.

Edit: initial warning, later chased for ambiguous “rule breaking” https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scree...

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