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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by kylebenzle »

ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

Users won't allow for (use) decentralized platforms until there is a good way to censor them. Once that happens, what would be the point of switching.

Facebook and Reddit are successful BECAUSE they are censorship machines. Facebook spends far more man hours on "curating" content compared to engineering.

Same with Reddit. Add up all the "moderation" time spent removing negative or controversial posts and I bet much more time is spent on content compared to programming the site.

You are not wrong, but even if a perfect decentralized clone existed tomorrow you'd only get young men and programmers to use it, the average TicTok users wants to see beautiful people doing stupid things, they don't care how it happens.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by brink »

MINIMAN10000 wrote: post #12
catsarebetter wrote: post #3

Never checked it out. Don't regret it

I did and I was left satisfied. I wanted to see their viewpoint on at the time "the hot topic" and confirm my suspicions that I truly don't consider their viewpoint rational or valid. It's like they start from a conclusion and work backwards to excuse it.

> It's like they start from a conclusion and work backwards to excuse it.

Almost everything political is like this. What allows you to see the flaw clearly here is your bias is against theirs. It's harder to see this process when you align with the conclusion.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ceedan »

kylebenzle wrote: post #13
softwaredoug wrote: post #2

Both Reddit's and /r/The_Donald speech protected from the outcome. From the article is that that the moderators/participants already have a new place to discuss whatever they want on a reddit clone. Reddit as a platform/company doesn't have to choose to be associated with this hate speech. Both sides have free speech rights and both have outcomes that support that speech...

Is there a "real" definition of hate speech? It seems like a hard to define rule. I also hate Trump but am allowed to say any horrible thing I want to about him, but if I were to same the same things about Hilary (I also hated her as a politician) it would be hate speech.

Unless you're saying horrible things about her by attacking her gender, then it wouldn't be hate speech.

If you have a difficult time saying horrible things about Hillary Clinton without attacking her gender, you might actually be sexist. Think about it. How do you really feel about women?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by theLastVoice »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11
zozbot234 wrote: post #5

Press F to Pay Respects. BTW, the unofficial successor (as listed on the subreddit itself before the ban) is alive and well at thedonald.win

Appears to be fronted by Cloudflare (as of 1593450845). Curious to see how long that lasts in the current tumultuous environment.

Irrespective of the content it's sad how we declare companies as targets for hosting/ providing infra for content.

Then criticize companies for doing the same act of taking down content at a government's request.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by fourstar »

parliament32 wrote: post #9

Whether you agree with the move or not, it's funny how Reddit's stance has changed over time. Under the old ownership, 2012: "At reddit we care deeply about not imposing ours or anyone elses’ opinions on how people use the reddit platform. We are adamant about not limiting the ability to use the reddit platform even when we do not ourselves agree with or condone a specific use. We have very few rules here on reddit;…

AKA: Please come over to our platform and contribute content so we can profit. Once we have profited, we will make sure to virtue signal on the highest level.

I created /r/lifeprotips and got shadowbanned for promoting a website I built around it after fostering the community for YEARS/spending my own money to give "gold" to reward community members. reddit is a scam.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by hartator »

minimaxir wrote: post #27
hartator wrote: post #15

To be fair, The_Donald was already shutdown for a while. Between quarantine that makes it not show up in feeds and the moderation team being replaced by Reddit’s, it wasn’t up and running anymore.

A de facto shutdown is not the same as an actual shutdown.

At least, they are being transparent about it.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

champagneben wrote: post #8

If black people (or perhaps more specifically, subreddits focused on issues pertinent to black communities) were banned on reddit, but they had a much smaller website where they could discuss issues, would it be an outcome that supported their free speech?

Trump is the president of the United States, Republicans have both the Senate and the Supreme Court, and I can barely go two seconds without hearing the perspective of people who voted for Trump. There is an entire news network that acts in an almost official capacity as the Republican party press arm. What on earth makes you think Reddit is the only major place that people could discuss "issues"?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by bmarquez »

nullc wrote: post #20

I'm confused by the article. My understanding was that reddit replaced the moderators of /r/The_Donald months ago after initially making in quarantined. The Wikipedia article seems to agree with my understanding: > In February 26, 2020, Reddit administrators removed a number of r/The_Donald moderators "that were approving, stickying, and generally supporting content in this subreddit that breaks [Reddit's] content po…

You're right. The_Donald has been dead for months due to the above-mentioned restrictions on submissions, moderator removal, and moving to a different site.

If they're getting banned now it's for something that was done months ago.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by minimaxir »

parliament32 wrote: post #9

Whether you agree with the move or not, it's funny how Reddit's stance has changed over time. Under the old ownership, 2012: "At reddit we care deeply about not imposing ours or anyone elses’ opinions on how people use the reddit platform. We are adamant about not limiting the ability to use the reddit platform even when we do not ourselves agree with or condone a specific use. We have very few rules here on reddit;…

The internet (and Reddit itself) was rather different in 2012.
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