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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by stopratelimit »

dang wrote: post #601
stopratelimit wrote: post #541

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>If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society. That's funny, I find the moderators stifle talking about the rules on Hackernews via secret shadowbans, post rate limiting, and other secret punishments...yet here…

Nobody "stifles talking about the rules". We answer questions every day. When we ban an account, we don't use shadowbanning it unless it is relatively new and shows signs of spamming or trolling, or being related to past abuses [1]. When an account has an established history, we say that we're banning it and why [2]. We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments too quickly and/or get involved i…

the fact that you don't inform users of shadowsbans an rate limiting without due process is pretty stifling. it's the reason i have this account, as I'm sure you know.

It's very clear that this is YOUR community. I don't think that's a bad thing, community wise. Just own it. It's OK. Being dictator-like isn't bad if you have clear goals and limited scope. It's just unfortunate that one of your goals is to squelch those who have unpopular opinions. And I'm not talking about neo-nazi white supremacy bullshit, it's clear you support that edge.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by holler »

_8j50 wrote: post #435
holler wrote: post #302

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Thanks for sharing, I'm working on a new convo site called sqwok.im and I've debated whether to ask for email. I ended up with it being an optional field at sign up that's only used to help with account recovery/notifications. Having the ability to generate an account recovery token sounds like a cool idea! You can still chat on the site with only a username/password.

Thanks for sharing as well. I have signed up and I will try to promote your service. Thank you for listening to users. I hope we see more services like this, we've lost too much of the good experience of the old internet.

hey badrabbit, was thinking some more, I'm interested to know what other aspects of "the old internet" you are missing? feel free to reply or email me guac@sqwok.im, cheers!

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by IggleSniggle »

danjac wrote: post #580
IggleSniggle wrote: post #371

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"New" reddit (not that new anymore) still _frequently_ just gets stuck on the spinners. Also with some frequency, when navigating to a page I've been to before, it will load everything from cache nicely, and then REPLACE THE CACHE WITH SPINNERS THAT NEVER LOAD THE CONTENT. Sometimes it will do this with a page I've never visited before, ie it will load the page and then replace it with the spinners and never load. Wo…

I'd be interested to know what the rationale for the new design was. Some kind of dark patterns? Make people so disgusted with the web version they just download the native app, which provides better monitoring and "stickiness"? I mean, is anyone at Reddit actually proud of the redesign?

I assume a little of column A, little column B. Web devs who wanted a greenfield project and a PM willing to be convinced, because 1) old reddit still exists to fall back on and 2) in retrospect outcomes pushing users to mobile seemed to be good for monitoring and stickiness.

I blame typical tech dysfunctions and the interests of users not align with short term stakeholder interests.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by dang »

stopratelimit wrote: post #621
dang wrote: post #601

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Nobody "stifles talking about the rules". We answer questions every day. When we ban an account, we don't use shadowbanning it unless it is relatively new and shows signs of spamming or trolling, or being related to past abuses [1]. When an account has an established history, we say that we're banning it and why [2]. We rate limit accounts when they post too many low-quality comments too quickly and/or get involved i…

the fact that you don't inform users of shadowsbans an rate limiting without due process is pretty stifling. it's the reason i have this account, as I'm sure you know. It's very clear that this is YOUR community. I don't think that's a bad thing, community wise. Just own it. It's OK. Being dictator-like isn't bad if you have clear goals and limited scope. It's just unfortunate that one of your goals is to squelch tho…

People who don't want to admit that we've banned (or rate limited) them for breaking the site guidelines always strike a noble posture as "those who have unpopular opinions" and accuse us of secretly siding with their enemies. The commenters you accuse us of supporting say exactly the same things and then some. They certainly don't think they're "supported".

The tell in comments like this is that they are linkless. Supplying the relevant links would reveal the rest of the story and let readers make up their own minds. That's why they're conspicuously missing.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by yellowapple »

taylorlunt wrote: post #409
yellowapple wrote: post #364

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> If I say that there are only two sexes and you cannot change your sex [...] It's a scientific and political position. A position that's ignorant of actual medical science is a "scientific" position?

They didn't say it was a good scientific position, and their arguments stands even if it's a bad scientific position.

There's a difference between "bad scientific position" and "not a scientific position", and "sex change is impossible" is squarely in the latter, IMO.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by M2Ys4U »

kremlin wrote: post #591
canofbars wrote: post #501

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Doesn't matter because reddit accounts don't hold the same weight as twitter accounts. Making a new reddit account is trivial and you lose absolutely nothing.

is that not true of Twitter as well?

On Twitter you follow people, on a site like Reddit you subscribe to subreddits.

Switching between accounts on Twitter means your follows/followers are lost, switching accounts on Reddit doesn't lose you anything (unless you're subscrived to private subreddits or are a moderator for a subreddit)

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by chrysoprace »

jfk13 wrote: post #516
INTPenis wrote: post #450

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I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

> costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.

That sort of cost is not necessary unless you're hosting a larger community. I run synapse (for myself, but it's idling at quite a low load so it could easily support more people) on a $10 USD/month Linode. For personal use you could get by on a $5 Nanode, but I'm using my VPS for other things, too.

The great thing about federation is that you don't have to host an entire community; just a slice of it.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ccatty »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #613
ccatty wrote: post #586

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The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only. What this is, despite pretending otherwise, is an exercise of a form of state power. When exercised against a nation, we recognize it as a sanction. But when exercised against an individual, it is something different. In reality, there is no practical difference between this and state censorship…

> The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only. No, they're completely the actions of private companies. It turns out, private companies exist in a mostly-shared culture and often have similar ideas about how to behave. Currently -- thank god -- deplatforming blatant bigots is generally agreed upon as A Good Thing. No conspiracy here, just…

> It turns out, private companies exist in a mostly-shared culture and often have similar ideas about how to behave. Currently -- thank god -- deplatforming blatant bigots is generally agreed upon as A Good Thing. No conspiracy here, just good sense.

It currently is recognized as a good thing, but it wasn't before. Before the consensus was "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." That said, a consensus cannot be defended simply because it has previously existed.

> Seriously? White supremacists are now "individuals who promote stability"?

I'm talking about people who opposed defunding the police. In a healthy society, people who supported defunding the police would have been fired from their jobs and sanctioned, but the opposite has happened. 'White supremacy' has been redefined to include fundamental state structures that are required for the functioning of society.

> I mean, yeah, the US has always believed that. The country had basically two starting points, after all: stealing the natives' land, and then later on destroying property as part of a protest.

The United States does not need to justify its existence. Almost every nation in existence today was formed on the backs of millions of deaths, and most of the natives died through communicable disease that was inevitably spread once any european landed on the North American shores. The only major mistakes the United States ever made were 1) allowing the establishment of slavery in North America and 2) trying to spread 'freedom and democracy' around the world.

Otherwise, the United States is responsible for almost all fundamental technology that the developed world employs and may (hopefully) be responsible for spreading human life to another planet. If the latter happens, then that alone justifies the sins of the United States.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by simplify »

bhupy wrote: post #611
patmorgan23 wrote: post #604

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But you can't shout fire in crowed theater with the intent to cause chaos. You can shout fire in a crowded theater, if there is an actual fire.

Yes you can! That argument was made in a SCOTUS argument that has since been unanimously overturned. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Great read, thanks for posting. I had mistakenly thought this for a while too.
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