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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by bhupy »

ves wrote: post #576
hutzlibu wrote: post #520

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My point was, that it is hard and the lines are blurry. But actually I do believe in the concept of unrestricted speech. But I really don't know when was the last time, that was tried. There were times, when certain topics were ok to speak freely about, like racism, yes, but at those times other topics were restricted, so what exactly are you talking about?

Do you know anywhere with truly unrestricted speech? The US has the freest speech that I know of (granted it’s also the only model that I’m so familiar with), and even it has plenty of restrictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

The restrictions on speech in the US are confined to “imminent lawless action”, per Brandenburg v Ohio. I think the commenter to whom you are replying might be entirely fine with Reddit’s speech policy following that precedent.

And no, shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater is not illegal and is protected by the First Amendment.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by brnt »

luckylion wrote: post #577
brnt wrote: post #563

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Inclusivity is core to democracy, and to call that progressive in 2020... Its just doing your due diligence in the face of software dev now being done by an ever diverse population. Any association will have house rules, often with very similar stipulations, and now software projects are doing the same, such that the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented.

No, it's really not. Democracy can function just fine without everybody being included everywhere. I don't have an issue with it if anyone finds inclusivity to be the most important issue, but it is a progressive policy, not "core to democracy". Please stop moralizing your personal political convictions. No, you're not a good person because of random political beliefs you happen to have, no, people who don't share th…

It can function that way, its however no democracy but aristocracy. You could pick up a book on this subject to brush up your knowledge.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by honksillet »

Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Gab has similar problems. The thing is Reddit is making the definition of objectionable broader and broader. At this point it includes basically anyone with mainstream conservative political views. They have gone (way) too far and people are looking for alternatives anywhere and everywhere where they won't be banned, shadow banned or quarantined. I just got text from a high school friend inviting me to something called Parler. I have no idea if it's worth while but I am happy to see that people are pushing back.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by honksillet »

INTPenis wrote: post #450
Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

Mastadon question. If there any way to search mastadon instances? It seems discoverability is an issue.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

missosoup wrote: post #492
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #480

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> The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. On the contrary: """One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.""" It applies very well to people intolerant of other groups, ethnicity or race.

It's not restricted to ethnicity, groups or race. Bigotry is merely the refusal to entertain different beliefs; whatever their groupby factor may be. Cherry-picking parts of the definition to meet one's idea of what it 'should' be, is the actual meaning of bigotry. Please refer to the Oxford dictionary definition if you're still confused.

Everybody can see what little game you are playing.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ccatty »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #578
concordDance wrote: post #521

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> I imagine responding to tech blogs with, "yes, there are white supremacist sub-communities, but you don't have to see them if you don't want to" won't come across as a very satisfying answer from their perspective. It's always irked me that most people seem to think that people with different politics to them shouldn't be allowed to communicate.

1. Referring to them as just "different politics" covers up the hateful, violent ideologies we're talking about. 2. Wanting them to be banned from a particular platform isn't a general ban on communication. Private communities are under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant.

The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only. What this is, despite pretending otherwise, is an exercise of a form of state power. When exercised against a nation, we recognize it as a sanction. But when exercised against an individual, it is something different. In reality, there is no practical difference between this and state censorship in China.

Personally, I don't object to this kind of power in principle, I just think that it is used in the wrong direction in the United States. Rather than being used to target and remove individuals who promote instability, it has been used to target and remove individuals who promote stability. Much of the United States now believes property destruction is acceptable if it achieves honorable ends.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by luma »

smabie wrote: post #414
taylorlunt wrote: post #404

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I want subreddit-specific moderation. That way I can sub to a hatepost sub if I want and a mature tech sub if I want and get the best of both worlds. Everyone here who disagrees is just saying, "I don't want to join those communities, so they shouldn't even be allowed to exist."

What I've learned from talking to people is that though people say they support freedom (specifically, freedom of speech) almost no actually does. Almost everyone wants to restrict what other people say, even if they're never going to hear it or see it. People want to destroy everything in the world they don't agree with, including discourse itself. This isn't a new trend of course, but I personally find it sad that…

The trouble these communities face is when the online words spill out into real world action. I have no conceptual issue with nazis talking online about loving Hitler, but we have learned that these communities tend to become rallying points for those who wish to act upon the ideas being shared.

If you created a platform, then later found out that ISIS was using it to coordinate attacks on hospitals around the world, how would you react?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by intsunny »

yogthos wrote: post #538
Afforess wrote: post #24

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem…

Nothing can prevent terrible people from using an open source project. Meanwhile, Reddit doesn't do much of anything about this problem either. For, example /r/metacanada exists, and white supremacists from there are also moderating /r/canada subbreddit, Reddit hasn't taken any action on that. At least the developers of Lemmy are very clear [1] about their stance regarding nazis, that's more than I can say for Reddit…

Looking at the mod list of /r/canada [0]. and /r/metacanada [1], I'm not seeing any overlap of mods.

Am I missing something?

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/about/moderators/ [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/metacanada/about/moderators/

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by holler »

_8j50 wrote: post #435
holler wrote: post #302

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Thanks for sharing, I'm working on a new convo site called sqwok.im and I've debated whether to ask for email. I ended up with it being an optional field at sign up that's only used to help with account recovery/notifications. Having the ability to generate an account recovery token sounds like a cool idea! You can still chat on the site with only a username/password.

Thanks for sharing as well. I have signed up and I will try to promote your service. Thank you for listening to users. I hope we see more services like this, we've lost too much of the good experience of the old internet.

Thank you! I appreciate you checking it out, I'm @guac. I agree that we've lost the aesthetic of the old net and that we need more choices when it comes to these types of things. I grew up chatting on irc, aim, icq, etc and have fond memories of those times. A neat aspect of current technology is that we can build similar experiences that are now accessible to everyone w/o e.g. "download and install the client, configure the server" (most ppl have no idea what you're talking about). The goal is to create a simple, frictionless, open chat site that lets ppl talk about news/current events/etc with no hassle. Admittedly I'm a news junkie and started building this because I want to use it myself!
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