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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by concordDance »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #271
rolleiflex wrote: post #151

We have something similar to this, Aether. https://getaether.net . (code at github.com/nehbit/aether) Always glad to see more eyeballs on the space, so I wish then the best. Here are a few differences I can see at the first glance: - Aether is decentralised (as in torrent) this appears to be federated. That means Aether truly has no servers and every user is a peer, while federated means there are smaller ‘Reddits’ a…

Sounds like there's some really interesting ideas here. > Two people with two different mod lists for the same community can see drastically different communities Reminds me of the 'sharding' idea in World of Warcraft. I'm really curious if you'll end up with issues of 'social dissonance' where your perception of a community differs drastically from someone else's because you literally see different content, and if t…

> I imagine responding to tech blogs with, "yes, there are white supremacist sub-communities, but you don't have to see them if you don't want to" won't come across as a very satisfying answer from their perspective.

It's always irked me that most people seem to think that people with different politics to them shouldn't be allowed to communicate.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by pferde »

jfk13 wrote: post #516
INTPenis wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

> costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.

You don't need (and probably don't even want) every single participant doing this.

A given community can pool money on a server of their own, and federate it with other communities' servers if they want.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ansible »

concordDance wrote: post #485
IgorPartola wrote: post #359

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What you say has a kernel of truth to it, but I think you are thinking of the wrong tool for the job. There was a well studied psychological phenomenon (sorry I can’t recall the name of the researchers at the moment) where if you put people of similar ideology in a room together and let them converse for a period of time, they will come out of that room holding more extreme views than they went in with, down to holdi…

> Lastly, yes it is true that some points of view are just wrong. There are in fact bad ideas. Eugenics is a bad idea. Racism is a bad idea. Misogyny is a bad idea. As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time (along with explanations for why eugenics is wrong and why we think there aren't substantial sex differences that make the sexes on average more suited to different things)…

> As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time...

Racism isn't useful and isn't actionable at a policy level.

Let's suppose there is some trait X (could be IQ test score, high jump ability, whatever) that is statistically variant by rigorously defined race. Group A scores on average 98, group B scores on average 103.

The median difference between groups doesn't actually matter, because individual scores are spread on a normal distribution. Therefore some percentage of individuals of group A will score higher on trait X than individuals of group B even if on average they do not.

So how can you effectively filter out individuals for entry into some special program? (for example, the high jump event in the Olympics)

Well, you have to test each individual. And if you want the very best, it behooves you to test each individual as fairly as possible, because there's always a chance that you will sample an individual from group A who is a super star, and also find an individual from group B who is a dud.

And it is the same for any other trait you would like to filter for.

Racism is an attempt to find a convenient mental shortcut so that it may provide cover for hatred of an out-group. But racism is ineffective and stupid.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by concordDance »

IgorPartola wrote: post #496
concordDance wrote: post #485

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> Lastly, yes it is true that some points of view are just wrong. There are in fact bad ideas. Eugenics is a bad idea. Racism is a bad idea. Misogyny is a bad idea. As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time (along with explanations for why eugenics is wrong and why we think there aren't substantial sex differences that make the sexes on average more suited to different things)…

I am not sure what you mean by racism/sexism/eugenics being false. If you mean why they are bad ideas, I can only do so much in terms of links, since I learned that these ideas are bad before the web was popular. I guess here are some things you might want to consider: * Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Make sure to get the NC17 unabridged book for the non-sugarcoated version. * All humans are virtually genetically identical. Can’…

I greatly appreciate you taking the time to find things, it displays a good will and charitable nature that's often lacking in the world. :)

That said, I have done a fair bit of googling and for various reasons, which would be too much of a digression to go into, have found most of those kinds of resources unsatisfying (e.g. the idea that differences are only skin deep is trivially refutable by racists). By possible coincidence I've already looked at most of the resources you linked (e.g. Sapiens and Uncle Tom's Cabin) and the HBDers still make a more convincing case. And I think this is mostly because while the HBDers can easily read the arguments of anti-racists and come up with counters, anti-racists are not even aware of the content of HBDer stuff and so cannot argue against it.

I think the censorship of racist thought (and other outside-Overton-Window thought) has indirectly lead to anti-racist argumentation weakening due to lack of understanding of what their opponents actually think and argue.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by bserge »

takeda wrote: post #14
bserge wrote: post #9

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New Reddit doesn't need sleep/delays, it's already slow as molasses heh. If not for old.reddit.com, my time on Reddit would've gone way down :/

My understanding was that s/he was referring to the new UI. Actually Reddit makes it hard to be on the old interface, I have to use browser extension to completely avoid the new UI.

There's a setting in preferences - as long as you're logged in, www.reddit.com links will still load the old design.

Logged out though, yeah, I manually replace "www" with "old" whenever I open a link...

Reddit is unavoidable these days since everyone's moved there and there's a lot of good content :/

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by [deleted] »

airtonix wrote: post #429
IgorPartola wrote: post #320

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I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit i…

And here is where the SpeakWrite machine was given authority to rewrite history in order to satisfy "The Grinning Fox" as Malcom X puts it. If you don't want to talk to those people, then don't. But to stand there and claim to speak for all of us and claim you are the authority on what topics are authorised for discussion is such an disgusting level of narcisistic meglomania that needs to be stamped out. You're just…

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by maeln »

jfk13 wrote: post #516
INTPenis wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

> costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.

You can host a mastodon instance on a small server that doesn't cost this much, and you can pool the money with a few friends to have your own community for a few €/month :).

I remember people doing it with TeamSpeak, Minecraft, Counter-strike, etc. server, its the same !

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by concordDance »

ansible wrote: post #523
concordDance wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lastly, yes it is true that some points of view are just wrong. There are in fact bad ideas. Eugenics is a bad idea. Racism is a bad idea. Misogyny is a bad idea. As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time (along with explanations for why eugenics is wrong and why we think there aren't substantial sex differences that make the sexes on average more suited to different things)…

> As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time... Racism isn't useful and isn't actionable at a policy level. Let's suppose there is some trait X (could be IQ test score, high jump ability, whatever) that is statistically variant by rigorously defined race. Group A scores on average 98, group B scores on average 103. The median difference between groups doesn't actually matter, be…

Actual discussion of racist thought is pretty off topic, I am more interested in where one could find good anti-race realist resources (and arguing for why attemptibg to censor racist thought can cause the problem of lack of said resources) then trying to rehash hundred thousand word arguments on an extremely complex topic in comments.

That said, it would be rude to ignore the effort you've made, so:

The main actionable things the HBDers I've spoken to want include no longer automatically treating mismatches between demographics in employment, prison, etc as a problem and introducing testing for those coming emmigrating into their country.

Also, there is a weakness in testing, namely that even racialists think things like intelligence are partly non-shared environment, so if you set a lower bar filter from a population with lower average IQ, then while the people you get will meet your threshhold, their children would often not (assuming this supposed genetic difference exists), which is relevant to immigration rules.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by INTPenis »

jfk13 wrote: post #516
INTPenis wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

> costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.

I wasn't particular enough. I pay around 80USD/month for a 4G/2CPU/3node k8s cluster where I'm able to host Mastodon, Synapse, Riot-web and Elasticsearch. Included in the price is a persistent volume of 20G and object storage for media.

The media storage is dirt cheap but it grows with the instance and users. One major issue some instance admins have is a lot of users uploading a lot of data.

My instance is very small and also blocked registrations to EU.

I expect to have enough capacity left over in my existing cluster to also host lemmy.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by maeln »

jfk13 wrote: post #519
kixiQu wrote: post #423

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more than you'd think! https://fediverse.network/

A drop in the ocean. Needs to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater to start becoming significant.

I like to compare the fediverse with the forums, TeamSpeak server, and nowaday discord server. It is not suppose to be a huge service with everybody on it a la Facebook, but rather a lot of small community that can interconnect to each other :) .

Everybody use to run a PhpBB or alternative for their own community. I remember being part of multiple of them in the early 2010. A lot of them got replaced by subreddit or facebook page, and this is what the fediverse can replace. Not the whole of reddit or Facebook, but if you want a place for you and your friends to organize your dnd party, run your minecraft server, talk about passion X or Y, the fediverse can do that :) .

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