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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #243
rsynnott wrote: post #220

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Approximately no-one on reddit or twitter is saying that straight people shouldn't be allowed marry. Plenty of people on both are saying that I shouldn't be, though. To take just one example. "People should be marginalised, and made second class citizens, and marginalised people should be kept marginalised" is a pretty common theme on the far right. It is rare on the far left; not that it's non-existent, but there ju…

> People should be marginalised, and made second class citizens, and marginalised people should be kept marginalised" is a pretty common theme on the far right. What? Not that there is no one with this view but it is an extreme minority. Same with people calling for the killing of all cops on the left, very small minority.

You should reflect on your privilege if you think it's only a small minority holding views that people that aren't straight white males are worth less.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by missosoup »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #480
missosoup wrote: post #354

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The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. Bigoted does not mean right-wing, objectionable, or things one disagrees with. Bigoted means unwilling to change one's opinion. Which certainly applies to the hard left wing end of the spectrum just as much as it does to hard right. Bigoted: o…

> The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. On the contrary: """One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.""" It applies very well to people intolerant of other groups, ethnicity or race.

It's not restricted to ethnicity, groups or race. Bigotry is merely the refusal to entertain different beliefs; whatever their groupby factor may be. Cherry-picking parts of the definition to meet one's idea of what it 'should' be, is the actual meaning of bigotry.

Please refer to the Oxford dictionary definition if you're still confused.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by nexuist »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #486
wojciii wrote: post #449

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Some subreddits were banned because other disliked the content. Like watchpeopledie. While the sub was disgusting banning it was for me the last nail in the coffin of social networks which decide what is the best for me. While I still use Reddit I'm looking for an alternative without the built-in censorship.

If you feel restricted by rules preventing you from being hurtful towards others, the problem is you, not the rules.

If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society.

The small groups of Twitter and Reddit moderators are far too small to ever represent the diversity of human thought. You may think the rules prevent harm today, but what happens if and when they encourage harm tomorrow? What if the rules turned against you? Wouldn't you want to be able to speak out?

This just feels like a rehash of the "think about the children" argument. We should not base human communication on the idea that some grown adult somehow somewhere could have such an adverse reaction to your content that they suffer serious mental or physical harm. Especially when said communication is hidden behind NSFW spoilers and other appropriate trigger warnings. Nobody could have possibly stumbled upon r/watchpeopledie and thought it was anything other than what it said it was.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero »

missosoup wrote: post #354
TulliusCicero wrote: post #304

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Describing journalists concerned about bigoted communities present on your platform as "a mob" is certainly a hot take.

The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. Bigoted does not mean right-wing, objectionable, or things one disagrees with. Bigoted means unwilling to change one's opinion. Which certainly applies to the hard left wing end of the spectrum just as much as it does to hard right. Bigoted: o…

No.

> Definition of bigot

> : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

> especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero »

kixiQu wrote: post #426
TulliusCicero wrote: post #211

Neat, but the big test for a discussion platform like this is what happens when they get big enough to matter, to get the attention of journalists looking for a scoop. It's easy to slide by with haphazard (or no) moderation when you're small. Discussion extremists (trolls, bigots, and the like) are less attracted to smaller platforms; they'd prefer bigger ones, if any would take them. I'm curious what will happen wit…

why are there so many comments assuming that the point of this project is to facilitate lighter moderation than Reddit has? the code of conduct on the site is pretty clear, actually. now, can you start a federated instance with that kind of content? sure. but just like how none of the normal mastodon servers federate with Gab, no one would have to federate with the cesspool.

I think that sort of technical distinction might be lost in many when there's a news report on how [platform] 'allows' bigots to spread hatred.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by IgorPartola »

concordDance wrote: post #485
IgorPartola wrote: post #359

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What you say has a kernel of truth to it, but I think you are thinking of the wrong tool for the job. There was a well studied psychological phenomenon (sorry I can’t recall the name of the researchers at the moment) where if you put people of similar ideology in a room together and let them converse for a period of time, they will come out of that room holding more extreme views than they went in with, down to holdi…

> Lastly, yes it is true that some points of view are just wrong. There are in fact bad ideas. Eugenics is a bad idea. Racism is a bad idea. Misogyny is a bad idea. As someone who has been looking for good anti-racialist arguments for a long time (along with explanations for why eugenics is wrong and why we think there aren't substantial sex differences that make the sexes on average more suited to different things)…

I am not sure what you mean by racism/sexism/eugenics being false. If you mean why they are bad ideas, I can only do so much in terms of links, since I learned that these ideas are bad before the web was popular. I guess here are some things you might want to consider:

* Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Make sure to get the NC17 unabridged book for the non-sugarcoated version. * All humans are virtually genetically identical. Can’t find a good primary source at 6am, but start with this: https://www.quora.com/Do-all-humans-have-the-same-genome-seq.... Black people are no different than white people, and you won’t find anything inherently different about either group other than some external appearance. It logically follows that discriminating by skin color is arbitrary, like discriminating say by height or eye color. * Racism is bad for society. https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Negative-Effects-Of-Racism-FJ... * Racism is bad for the economy: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/racism-riots-economics-.... * A much better explanation than I can write at the moment on why it’s wrong: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-racism-wrong?share=1

I am not going to spend more time Googling for you on this, but feel free to continue the research yourself. Try searching “effects of X on Y” and “morality of Z” and “why is W wrong” if you want to see those points of view. Form your own opinion, but keep one thing in mind: the often cited argument for a lot of this stuff is that “we’ve never implemented it correctly”. I hear this a lot about communism nowadays. There are a lot of setups where the idea inevitably leads to an outcome. For example, the US political and elections system inevitably leads to a two party system. It can be mathematically proven that this is the case. Similarly, ideas like racism inevitably lead to human and economic suffering, and those who try to separate the idea and it’s effect as implemented should be suspect of making arguments in bad faith. Examine their theories more closely.

Lastly, there is only so much you can learn from short form articles on the web. Read Sapiens. Read a couple or history books on WWII. Talk to a concentration camp survivor if you can find one. Talk to a Nazi solder. Talk to almost any woman in your life. I guarantee you that your mother experienced sexism, sexual harassment, and chances are outright sexual assault, since a very large percentage of women have in their lives statistically speaking.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by missosoup »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #494
missosoup wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word 'bigoted' is getting thrown around all over the place in this post and most commenters, including this one, seem to have never actually looked it up in the dictionary. Bigoted does not mean right-wing, objectionable, or things one disagrees with. Bigoted means unwilling to change one's opinion. Which certainly applies to the hard left wing end of the spectrum just as much as it does to hard right. Bigoted: o…

No. > Definition of bigot > : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices > especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Not sure what the 'no' is in regard to. That's entirely aligned to my comment.

Or did you think obstinate devotion to opinions and prejudices only manifests in the the group of people you happen to disagree with?

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero »

justAnotherNET wrote: post #308
TulliusCicero wrote: post #146

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I moderate a couple of subreddits and agree moderation is a disaster. For popular subs, moderators are basically swamped in a never-ending avalanche of shit. Even if you want to be a good mod, doing so for the long haul is an insane time commitment. The fact that being banned from one sub doesn't usually get you banned from another sub is totally understandable, but combined with how easy it is to make a new account,…

The mods only have themselves to blame. They create insanely broad rules allowing them to ban anything and then limit mod positions to concentrate their power. The role of mods is to delete off topic submissions and remove illegal content. Nothing more.

I admit, I don't understand the tendency of people like this to insist that their hyper-libertarian ruleset must be so. That for a community to have its own set of rules that they enforce is inherently wrong somehow.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by hutzlibu »

esperent wrote: post #482
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #460

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Their first rule would block most of that and seems to make it pretty clear they don’t want to host those communities: > No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct. Code of conduct links to https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUC... Their rules are a lot stricter than Reddit’s. I’m not sure how that in practice works with it being federated, but ass…

They lump porn (presumably also artistic nudity) along with hate speech, racism and so on as banned discourse. You're not even allowed to have a sexual alias. This is not necessarily a bad thing for users - I often wish for a place similar to hacker news but with a wider range of topics - however, it almost certainly means they will never reach Reddit levels of popularity. I do think that Reddit fills an important ni…

"difference between open discussion and fueling hate speech"

Do you have a crystal clear definition then, on where is exactly the difference?

I doubt there exists one.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by decouvert »

speedgoose wrote: post #432
nichos wrote: post #402

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Had potential, but it's extreme far left now. Just as bad IMO.

Please. I understand that extreme left people can be super annoying but they never threatened me to kill my family and my friends.

>Please. I understand that extreme left people can be super annoying but they never threatened me to kill my family and my friends.

Simply write "All lives matter" on Twitter (because all lives DO matter, right?) and watch what happens.

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