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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by dragandj »

seppin wrote: post #236
dragandj wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not so sure that nuclear weapons would help in these kinds of regional conflicts against Russia. It’s not that Russia officially invaded Ukraine (although in practice it did), but it stirred up local population (of largely Russian ethnicity) and then gave them logistical support and protection. So, if Ukraine had nuclear weapons, what would it do with it? Strike Russia, who has many more nuclear warheads, and str…

Good points. It maybe would have deterred Russia from invading at all, but that's debatable.

On the opposite note, Russia (USSR) was "invaded" (sort of, from the point of view of many Russians) by the "West" 30 years ago, and USSR was butchered out, despite USSR having thousands of warheads. Which were completely useless...

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Post by vinay427 »

kiba wrote: post #87
thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

And yet the construction here in the US have reputation of doing shoddy works, not doing work on time, and being more expensive than they should be, while skirting any regulations any way they can. Or at least that's my impression.

They do have that reputation, as in many western countries to varying degrees, but there's large difference (in my mind) between corruption that affects finances and corruption that affects safety.

The latter is rather rare in a place like the US, and when it happens, the problem will generally be discovered and fixed before people die. In the case that the problem results in casualties, there is almost always a process of oversight, media and public attention, and adapting of protocols to mitigate the risk of a similar situation in the future.

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Post by skissane »

1024core wrote: post #309
wishiwasoutside wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"in Asian culture" why are you using Korean anecdotes to explain a Pakistani problem?

Last I checked, Pakistan was in Asia....?

I think the point is, that Pakistan and Korea are culturally very different. Different languages, different religions, different traditions, different histories, etc. So claiming they both share "Asian culture" is rather dubious since it isn't very clear what is this "Asian culture" which they allegedly both share.

Some Asian countries do have some common cultural heritage. Japan and Korea were both heavily influenced by Chinese culture, for example. But, Pakistan and Korea, what common cultural heritage do they have?

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Post by vkou »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #260
walrus01 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a completely illogical approach. An armored convoy stands out like a sore thumb in Rawalpindi. An ordinary slightly beat up, 6-8 year old Suzuki Bolan does not. Maybe send out a few decoy high security vehicles with uniformed crews going in a few different directions, and then send out the Bolan going elsewhere. Bolan: https://www.google.com/search?q=suzuki+bolan&client=ubuntu&h...

In software circles, this is called "security by obscurity" and is frowned upon. And if it's a bad idea with software, I'd argue it's also a bad idea with nuclear weapons.

Unless you are opposed by an all-knowing god, security through obscurity can be a useful part of a defense-in-depth system.

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Post by vkou »

nickik wrote: post #197
catalogia wrote: post #187

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> The US should stop the idiotic believe that Pakistan is an ally. Do they actually believe it, or do they just pay lip service to that idea for realpolitik reasons? The US has repeatedly accused China of assisting Pakistan with their nuclear weapons program. It's hard for any of us to say what the truth is in that matter, but either way I don't think the potential relationship between Pakistan and China has been ign…

I don't know about the nuclear weapons program. But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US. I think it never made sense really and the US has not benefit from the alliance. I know some of the history of how it came about but even if you read those, the strategic calculus behind it was flawed.

> But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US.

They opposed India, which was opposed by China, and the US spent the post-Vietnam period cozying up to China, because it opposed the USSR.

So, to answer your question, they haven't done anything other than be the enemy of an enemy of an enemy of an enemy.

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Post by amingilani »

Almost every time I see Pakistan on the first page it's because of something bad. Also not surprising because almost every time I submit something about tech related to Pakistan myself it's usually horrifying. It just makes me sad. Hoping it'll be better at some point.

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Post by AWildC182 »

chooseaname wrote: post #248
briandear wrote: post #239

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Gear up landings are one of the most common insurance claims for aircraft. It’s more common than you might think, even with experienced pilots.

Is there any kind of indicator in the cockpit to remind the pilot? A light? A voice (like the stall voice), that says, "Hey doofus, you're descending and close to landing, so LOWER THE GEAR!"

You're not wrong at all, and there is. It's just surprisingly easy to filter it out. If something new or non-standard is happening (ATC gave you an unusual approach, there's a traffic conflict, etc) you WILL start filtering out the less important information such as the screech of a gear horn or some other in-your-face indicator right through touchdown.

The thing about flying an aircraft is while it's 90% boring monotony, takeoff, approach and landing are all extremely time sensitive operations. It's easy to become cognitively saturated or to "get behind the aircraft". You can only go forward and you're going really fast so everything has a deadline.

The best description would be like when you were learning to drive and you merged onto a highway the first time. Lots going on, can't slow down, just have to commit and try to keep up.

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Post by kayfox »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #260
walrus01 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a completely illogical approach. An armored convoy stands out like a sore thumb in Rawalpindi. An ordinary slightly beat up, 6-8 year old Suzuki Bolan does not. Maybe send out a few decoy high security vehicles with uniformed crews going in a few different directions, and then send out the Bolan going elsewhere. Bolan: https://www.google.com/search?q=suzuki+bolan&client=ubuntu&h...

In software circles, this is called "security by obscurity" and is frowned upon. And if it's a bad idea with software, I'd argue it's also a bad idea with nuclear weapons.

The United States also transports nuclear weapons in ways that are not obviously a transportation of nuclear weapons, including in seemingly unarmed semi-trucks for thousands of miles.

Its a pretty effective way of moving things that need high secrecy and present logistical challenges in required protection. In the past highly valuable items have been moved using mundane methods with little fanfare.

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Post by kayfox »

tw1912112 wrote: post #134

The one thing I have noticed about the PIA air crash is the effort some people have put into trying to explain the crash. Some of them have simulated the whole trip! It's quite depressing, especially since the errors are quite bizzare and the plane crashed into a residential area but thankfully no casualties in the areas. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUOn6FrDPwg [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9ZrliDkNA

One ground fatality and 7 ground injuries, so not good, but not horrifying.

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Post by ohazi »

jessermeyer wrote: post #223
m3h wrote: post #208

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In Pakistan, there is a culture of becoming overconfident and ignorant of the rules in the airline industry as the pilots age. This was also noted by the Aviation minister when he presented the PIA crash report to the assembly. It should be noted that two of the previous large crashes involving an Airblue and a Bhoja airplane were both concluded to be pilot error with the report pointing to overconfidence and negativ…

Ignorant of ... lowering the landing gears to land? It's just astonishing.

It's pretty common.

I don't fly retractable gear aircraft, but I did spend several months exclusively flying a Citabria. On my first flight back in a more typical Cessna 172, I went through the downwind, base, and final legs as usual.

After landing and getting the plane stopped, I turned to my instructor and commented that the landing sight picture seemed a lot steeper than what I had remembered.

He smiled and pointed to the flap switch, which I had completely forgotten about. The Citabria doesn't have flaps.

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