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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by redis_mlc »

t0mas88 wrote: post #265
SamuelAdams wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't these companies just sponsor the pilots to complete their pilot training program? If they really do need the pilots that badly, and the fake pilots demonstrate an interest in the job, why not just pay for their flight training directly and keep them grounded until that training is complete?

That training would probably fail. I've seen a few licensed pilots with a real license from a country that isn't ICAO standard (and I'm going to guess Pakistan is like that as well) sit in flight training. They didn't do very well, lots of bad habits, not a very enthusiastic attitude towards a training they think they don't need.

> Couldn't these companies just sponsor the pilots to complete their pilot training program?

Well, that training costs close to $100,000, takes up to 2 years, the fake pilots would have to pass several written, practical and medical tests.

> They didn't do very well

In Asian culture, staff only get promoted (one-way up) over time. So the concept of failing one of your pilots is a hard sell for local examiners - it would be scandalous behavior to flunk their sim ride.

S. Korea rotates in US CFIs until they find compliant ones that will endorse, otherwise they're sent back to the US. Or they just use locals to rubber-stamp logbooks.

One of the few recent US airline accidents was the SFO Asiana crash, which is the poster child for "not doing very well." (although why SFO turns off their ILS all the time is bizarre.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by briandear »

anon102010 wrote: post #54
tux1968 wrote: post #45

The fact that the landing gear lever was pushed down into the extended position, and then the plane decided not to deploy the landing gear because of the overspeed issue is a horrible UI. The lever should refuse to budge unless moving it will in fact deploy the landing gear. These pilots are horrible, but that doesn't mean we can't improve the controls still.

Uh? The UI was giving them plenty of warnings and alerts. They have supposedly been trained thoroughly on all of this.

The altimeter and airspeed indicator was all they needed. They were high and fast and attempted to dive to the runway. Piss poor flying.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by briandear »

_ph_ wrote: post #86
CaptainMarvel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flying didn’t become as safe as it is today by relying on the pilots to be perfect

Perfect? No. But no one, not being capable of noticing clear warnings has no business operating a vehicle, especially a commercial airplane. It is actually the corner case, that the airplane refused to deploy the wheels. Usually, there is a technical problem preventing the deployment. So checking that the landing gear actually deployed should be one of the most fundamental things a pilot does, as well as looking out…

Looking at the damned airspeed indicator was all it would have taken.

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Post by ultrarunner »

craftinator wrote: post #93
VBprogrammer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that they where around 80 knots faster than they should have been probably helped a lot. That's a heck of a lot of excess energy.

The excessive speed helped? Can you explain, I would imagine that going faster would cause more engine damage while being dragged.

There's a decision point past which your option to abort is no longer viable. Think of an overloaded plane attempting to take off. It may need 400 meters to brake. If the pilot continues to attempt to take off until only 200 meters of runway are left, braking is no longer an option.

In the case of the landing attempt above, reverse thrust and the very sketchy (ahem) landing configuration would typically bleed off too much speed to make a successful takeoff possible. Depending on the runway the implicit decision point might have been behind them virtually upon touchdown. With so much excess airspeed, though, while a safe stop was not possible they were still able to fly. It would have been a hell of a ride, though, and just thinking about abusing an airplane like that kind of blows my mind.

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Post by aspenmayer »

ceejayoz wrote: post #217
aspenmayer wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you intended to link to some QAnon propaganda account, but there are other sources of that same info. Here's a video showing the vehicle in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU Vendor's product page: https://dillonaero.com/product/convoy-escort-vehicle-cev-2/

Sorry about that, just the first one to come up in my search. I just watched a few seconds to confirm it was the vehicle I was thinking of. (Too old to edit/delete. Argh.)

I apologize. I should not have assumed it was associated with the other Q. I feel like I'm part of the problem for assuming it was. I didn't do my homework, and I accordingly deserve to admit my mistake.

Please, don't be sorry. You didn't mean anything wrong, and I was actually wrong.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by RandomBacon »

detaro wrote: post #146
yingw787 wrote: post #21

Older article, but apparently Pakistan carts its nuclear weapons around in regular delivery vans: https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/ I personally think this is a bad idea.

US nuke transports don't look that impressive either: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nuclear-couriers-201703... (of course it is entirely possible that Pakistan doesn't have much in the way of hidden security around those, but flying under the radar seems to be a common theme for this business)

"The axles are designed to explode to prevent a trailer from being towed away."

Smart. Reminds me of how in movies or TV shows if the person being kidnapped would just go limp instead of following the kidnapper, 99% of the problem could be solved right there. Don't aid the enemy.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by aspenmayer »

codys wrote: post #235
aspenmayer wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you intended to link to some QAnon propaganda account, but there are other sources of that same info. Here's a video showing the vehicle in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU Vendor's product page: https://dillonaero.com/product/convoy-escort-vehicle-cev-2/

I also noticed the "Q" in the video opening, but youtube appears to indicate the video was uploaded 10 years ago (Sept 4, 2009). Wikipedia's page on QAnon [1] indicates it began in October 2017. It appears the video is a promotional from the Dillon Aero company, and the "Q" graphic appears to be something they included (again, based on upload data, 10 years ago). It seems plausible the "Q" in the video is meant to re…

You're correct. I don't know what the Q refers to, but probably not what I thought. I apologized to OP. I also am sorry to you, for making you do the homework I should have done instead of rushing to condemn. I didn't intend to make this worse by my actions, but I can only admit my mistake and do better in the future. Thanks for your info.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by redis_mlc »

numpad0 wrote: post #37
ceejayoz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That'd make for an awkward conversation if both pilots had a fake license. "You know how to fly this thing?" "No, I hoped you would."

While the plane in the background is like ring ring ring ring goddamn cycle that gear lever pretty please ring ring ring ring

Often there's lots of chimes going off, and in the case of Airbus, lots of little menu windows to acknowledge first before some electronic systems are usable.

Also, task saturation can result in humans hearing but not recognizing alarms, which is often found on black boxes.

Then you have the emotional response of the pilots realizing their careers are over.

Unfortunately, the passengers in back are just along for the ride and have no idea about all that - they just wanted to get from Point A to Point B safely.

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Post by nradov »

737min wrote: post #227

Professional and academic credentials in developing countries are often unreliable or outright fake. If this happend with pilot licenses, imagine CS degrees or medical schoold... Any immigration and H1B reform will need to address this while being fair and free of prejudice.

The US doesn't accept medical degrees from Pakistan, or most other countries either. Immigrant doctors have to redo much of their training which is why many of them choose to switch careers instead.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by andbberger »

yingw787 wrote: post #21

Older article, but apparently Pakistan carts its nuclear weapons around in regular delivery vans: https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/ I personally think this is a bad idea.

This might not be as bad as it seems.

At least in the US, the inherent security of nuclear weapons is kind of incredible.

I can't be bothered to find a reference, but it's expected that an agency with nation-state level resources in possession of a weapon _and_ its blueprints still would not be able to detonate it.

The term to google here is permissive action link

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