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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Yea how are they even flying? Haven't read the article but I guess it's one of those things where the operator had the skills but isn't getting official stamp from some institution because of some agenda of creating artificial shortage or asking for money for stamp? These guys probably know how to fly right? Is flying very small part of overall pilot certification?

No, the pilot or co-pilot would have to actually fly, but over time the fake pilot would pick up skills. Rumor was that in India, pilot licenses were $1000 at the back door of one govt building. Some accidents found one pilot would have the fake license.

That'd make for an awkward conversation if both pilots had a fake license.

"You know how to fly this thing?"

"No, I hoped you would."

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Unlicensed pilots are very common in Alaska. There's an old joke that the FAA hopes to get at least 50% of the pilots in Alaska properly licensed.

You mean flying certified aircraft or experimental aircraft and bush planes? It’s one thing to fly unlicensed and another to claim you have a proper license when you actually paid someone to take the test for you because you don’t have the necessary experience and you’re using that license to fly commercial airliners.

Probably some mix of both. But certainly many are flying typical GA planes, Cessna and whatnot, without regulatory oversight. Most of their planes probably don't get annual inspections.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Unlicensed pilots are very common in Alaska. There's an old joke that the FAA hopes to get at least 50% of the pilots in Alaska properly licensed.

Alaska the state or Alaska Airlines?

The state. Getting into the bush efficiently requires a plane. You could go old school with horses and dogs.

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Unlicensed pilots are very common in Alaska. There's an old joke that the FAA hopes to get at least 50% of the pilots in Alaska properly licensed.

Alaska the state or Alaska Airlines?

Commercial pilot license is required for any pilot looking to fly for a business operating aircraft for a profit.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Start at the 4 minute mark here: https://youtu.be/oUOn6FrDPwg?t=240 Infuriating series of events. It's not simply a matter of pilot error, it's criminal negligence.

There's an updated video from the same channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5rXxJRmf4

I'd start at 4:50.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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post #11

Start at the 4 minute mark here: https://youtu.be/oUOn6FrDPwg?t=240 Infuriating series of events. It's not simply a matter of pilot error, it's criminal negligence.

For every choice he had to make on the approach, he made the wrong one. He literally did everything wrong, and ignored every warning.

It's almost inconceivable that someone could screw up as badly as he did.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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You'd assume that licenses are centrally managed, and always given out by authorities with good credentials that are hooked to the central database, and that this becomes even more true the "higher up" you get, e.g. for certifications on bigger planes.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Unlicensed pilots are very common in Alaska. There's an old joke that the FAA hopes to get at least 50% of the pilots in Alaska properly licensed.

Most of them aren't flying commercial jets though. They're mostly people flying GA-sized aircraft for hire without paying for the right papers to do it (i.e. doing it on a private pilot's license or an expired license).

None of them are flying commercial jets. This is the US, no commercial airline is going to hire an unlicensed pilot.
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