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Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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The ground has shifted. Someone who was a moderate in 1995 would be considered "alt-right" today.

This is pretty hyperbolic. Somebody who was "moderate" in 1995 could be considered left-leaning or right-leaning today, depending on their specific politics, and in fact, without any specific context like "internet free speech", I would think a majority of them would be considered more left-leaning on average today. And even if that isn't true, the alt-right is a pretty specific flavor of hate-motivated shitposters,…

If alt-right has any meaning at all, I agree that it ought to refer to rather extreme beliefs. In practice, the left uses it as an all-purpose slur to refer to the half of the country that voted for the current President. (Hence my quotes.) These days, the only thing the word means is that the one uttering it is being an ass.

As a more specific example, though, Hillary Clinton was considered a moderate in the 90s. Back then she notably referred to Black youths as "superpredators". I think anyone doing so today would be seen as pretty far right. That's an example of the ground shifting.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/aug/28/reince-pri...

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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Welcome to Soviet States of America. You can feel now exactly how it was back in those days in USSR.

So how do you think it's been for people of color this whole time?

People of color are oppressed in the US, but “socialist revolution” is not a solution. This is a deep cultural problem that must be solved from kindergarden-age. Well educated people can defend themself.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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USSR existed for over 70 years and people there have seen a lot of varieties of oppression. “Silence is Violence” is one of them. “Kitchen Talks” too (you cannot say anything to random people and only to closest friends/relatives at home). Be ready for a new life, comrade.

The mainstream media seems shockingly Soviet now, too, perhaps with the difference that more people still believe it. Do you agree? I'd like to hear your comparison. One difference from the USSR is that there remain plenty of alternative sources on the margins. They're shut out of the mainstream, but they're a lot more accessible than samizdat. It will be interesting to see if they get shut down. I don't think they w…

Well, history doesn't repeat itself exactly, so current situation is very different in details but it's basically the same. Samizdat of these days is much more accessible indeed.

To me Dems/Repubs, CNN/Fox look the same, just different wings of the same bird.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

#104

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Anger is not proof of anything, and that's something this entire movement does not understand. There is fundamentally no evidence to support the notion that equality of opportunity leads to equality of outcome. That goes for the justice system.

I imagine you're very much in favor of proof but also very willing to reject foundational sociological tenets.

If you mean tabula rasa then yes, that's obviously nonsense.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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What does Putin have to do with anything? He runs a country that is not remotely communist (since at least 1991, nearly thirty years ago, last I checked)

That's why I had the caveat of "former". However, he's published NYT op-eds, and isn't exactly, I believe, considered persona grata in US politics, so there is precedent for the NYT running "officially distasteful" opinions. Then again, the US doesn't seem to have any equivalent to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Camillo_and_Peppone

After further reading, I get the impression that Bennet was already at odds with his newsroom, and far from being a "Cultural Revolution", running Cotton was simply the straw that shoved him out.

I'm sure the free market will find him another job, and he seems like a smart guy, so this time around he'll probably get along better with his staff.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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I'm all for diversity in thought - typically though this kind of thing gets flagged on HN. After 9/11, invasion of Afghanistan and both Iraq wars there were songs banned from the radio and people were thrown out of malls for wearing t-shirts that were anti-war. Conservatives were all for that or had little to say about stifling free speech concerns. The argument was its private property and companies can do what they…

> Conservatives were all for that or had little to say about stifling free speech concerns. The argument was its private property and companies can do what they want No one is actually principled. They just use these sort of ideals as a convenient talking point when it supports what they want, and it's not just Republicans.

This is entirely true. It's also the reason that more and more extreme ideas flourish.

The disingenuous engagement disillusions more reasonable people. People left of center see how Barack Obama was treated for the mildest of progressive ideas, and then decide that there's no point playing nice. I'm sure there is a similar analogy for conservatives.

If you don't listen to reasonable, accommodating people, don't be surprised that you are selecting for people on the extremes.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

#107

I just reposted this because one minute it was on the front page and the next minute it could not be found.

Use a feed reader to access sites like HN instead of the front page, that way you get to see all content which has been posted in the order it has been posted - there is no ranking nor any direct censoring.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

#108

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So how do you think it's been for people of color this whole time?

People of color are oppressed in the US, but “socialist revolution” is not a solution. This is a deep cultural problem that must be solved from kindergarden-age. Well educated people can defend themself.

In what way are 'people of colour' - between quotes because as far as I'm concerned they're just people [1] - oppressed in the US? I don't just blindly swallow the narrative espoused by BLM nor do I just blindly accept the opposite. For more than 2 weeks I've been listening to interviews with people who say that the narrative is in fact incorrect, that they themselves lived in the areas where the oppression should have been rife but - again according to them - did not seem to be. Many of these people put the blame for the disparity in income and outlook on social programs which have led to the dissolution of the family which is supposed to have led to the majority of children growing up in a single-parent household combined with the fact that schools are paid directly using local taxes which leads to poor neighbourhoods having underfunded schools. The lack of fathers, according to them, leads to a lack of male role models which in turn leads to boys finding their role models elsewhere, often on the street where they see gang bangers sporting fancy goods and gaining status. Many of the people I listened to found other role models to follow - one of their grandparents, a retired police officer, their own parents who came to the USA and built and existence for themselves and their children, a teacher in school, etc. Some of them ended up in academia, some of them started a business, some did well in sports in one way or another, some went into politics. Some are religious and pull that factor into the mix, others are secular or atheists. None of them seemed to be dirt-poor, nor did any of them seem to be rich, they all seemed to be part of the middle class.

All of them are, to use the term I dislike, 'people of colour'.

It can not be the case that both sides have it right here - either there is systemic oppression against people based on their skin colour or there is not. They claim this not to be the case and they back up their claims with data. They do not claim that there are no occurrences of discrimination based on skin colour but they do claim that these are just that, individual occurrences. What makes it possible for these people to succeed and thrive where so many others fail to do so? Either the people I mentioned have it right and the cause lies in the negative effects of social programs which keep people tied to the state as the source of handouts, keeping them alive but in poverty, or those who claim that 'people of colour' are oppressed in the USA have it right and the ones I have been listening to for the past week live in a fantasy.

The people I listened - and listen - to do not get heard in the media for some reason, probably because their point of view does not fit the preferred narrative. They get called bad names like 'Coon' and 'Uncle Tom' in the cesspit of social media. When I hear them talk they sound convincing, when I check the statistics they cite they seem to corroborate their position. To me it seems they have a better grasp on the actual situation than those who makes claims about systemic racism but, not being an American, I can not be sure. I can just observe, read, listen, compare to similar situations in my own experience and my own environment and draw my own conclusions. Those conclusions lead me to believe they are closer to the truth than the loud voices heard in the media. They do not claim that there is no discrimination, they claim there is no systemic racism. I know discrimination and racism exist, they even seem to be on the rise - there are not many Jews left in the city of Malmö for this reason - but that is not the same as systemic racism. I tried to table this subject before [2] and got a number of links related to what is claimed to be systemic racism related issues in reply. I followed the links and found that most of the mentioned issues were either not indicative of systemic racism or are mentioned as not being related to such in the interviews I've been listening to. My conclusion still stands, either those folks I've been listening to are deluded or the ones on the front pages of the news magazines are.

[1] Why I dislike that 'people of colour' term: From when I went to primary school it has been drilled into me that skin colour is not important, that it is merely superficial, that we're all people, that you should look beyond such things like you look beyond hair colour. That culture is what binds us no matter what colour we have. This seemed to work, things were getting better in my country (the Netherlands), culture did seem to be the binding factor - and in other cases the dividing one. Culture, not colour. And then... things changed. Where before it was not done to be focusing on that superficial aspect of skin colour suddenly a movement made itself heard which did nothing but focus on skin colour. And, lo and behold, there actually is more discrimination and racism in society now than there was before that movement got started. The cause-and-effect of this is unclear since this event more or less coincided with the arrival of a large number of migrants from the Middle-East and Africa but to me it certainly feels like this renewed focus on skin colour certainly did not make things better, nor does the expletive-laden simplistic rhetoric and labelling espoused by proponents of this movement.

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23421551

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

#109

I just reposted this because one minute it was on the front page and the next minute it could not be found.

Use a feed reader to access sites like HN instead of the front page, that way you get to see all content which has been posted in the order it has been posted - there is no ranking nor any direct censoring.

I try to watch my data use so I am reluctant to download one, but I appreciate the tip.

Re: Welcome to America’s Cultural Revolution

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If this is really the problem conservatives claim it is, there's a simple solution: Get a backbone and delete your social media accounts. Most platforms (unlike HN) provide account deletion functions (though some keep them well-hidden).

I am very liberal in my politics and there should definitely be a way to moderate people's opinions on platforms.
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