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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by yingw787 »

thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

Apparently there's chatter in recent days on China's internet regarding the Three Gorges Dam, and how it's setting / warping due to reservoir backpressure (pictures in link): https://www.theepochtimes.com/experts-warn-of-chinas-three-g...

Apparently there's heavy rainfall this year. 300-400 million people live below the dam. I'm unfamiliar with domestic travel restrictions within China, but I can't imagine it's gotten better with the ongoing pandemic, so you can't really plan ahead and move out of the way until the rainy season ends.

I want to believe there's something wrong with the camera that made that specific image distorted. Or that the government recognizes the problem and is fixing it. I like it when things are boring.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by yalogin »

This is quite scary actually, something I didn’t think would happen. I can see people faking engineering degrees or even medicine as they can then try to evade all work and get away by relying on the team. Pilot is not that, they have to fly it and they kill themselves too if things go wrong.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

bayesianbot wrote: post #26
rwc wrote: post #11

Start at the 4 minute mark here: https://youtu.be/oUOn6FrDPwg?t=240 Infuriating series of events. It's not simply a matter of pilot error, it's criminal negligence.

There's an updated video from the same channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5rXxJRmf4 I'd start at 4:50.

Why doesn't ATC demand they come in to line, the copilot didn't appear to explain the very high approach (7000ft when they should be 3000ft) ... is there a benefit to it??

First thing I learnt on a flight sim: slow down or you can't extend gear.

Is the co-pilot allowed to smash the pilot in the face and take over when they realise they're ignoring basic instructions?

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

donarb wrote: post #94
tux1968 wrote: post #45

The fact that the landing gear lever was pushed down into the extended position, and then the plane decided not to deploy the landing gear because of the overspeed issue is a horrible UI. The lever should refuse to budge unless moving it will in fact deploy the landing gear. These pilots are horrible, but that doesn't mean we can't improve the controls still.

Where in the report does it say that it was the plane and not the pilots that retracted the landing gear? As far as I know, there is nothing in the flight software that automatically deploys/retracts the landing gear, it's under the pilots control.

In the video linked above the gear stays retracted (with overspeed alarm sounding!) until the speed reduces. The speed doesn't reduce until they go-around and the engines fail. The gear then extends which bleeds airspeed, they turn hard, lose altitude and crash 1km short; with a massive loss of lives.

It doesn't seem right that their approach could be so fast? So perhaps the pilots themselves lowered the gear.

A comment on YouTube suggests that the gear does behave that way, it holds the command to lower gear and enacts it when airspeed falls sufficiently?

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by [deleted] »

yingw787 wrote: post #101
thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

Apparently there's chatter in recent days on China's internet regarding the Three Gorges Dam, and how it's setting / warping due to reservoir backpressure (pictures in link): https://www.theepochtimes.com/experts-warn-of-chinas-three-g... Apparently there's heavy rainfall this year. 300-400 million people live below the dam. I'm unfamiliar with domestic travel restrictions within China, but I can't imagine it's gotte…

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by dominotw »

kiba wrote: post #87
thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

And yet the construction here in the US have reputation of doing shoddy works, not doing work on time, and being more expensive than they should be, while skirting any regulations any way they can. Or at least that's my impression.

> skirting any regulations any way they can.

Here in india we don't skirt regulations because no one knows what regulations are supposed be followed. :)

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

awakeasleep wrote: post #81
thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

I believe regulation is an essential tool for society, but it is not the whole story- morality plays as large a part. Once the regulation is set, it can easily be undermined. BPA was banned by regulation, so industry developed analogue chemicals with the same properties and began using them. Certain aspects of concrete & steel are regulated, so unethical effort goes into subverting the idea of the law while following…

I used to work in a very process-heavy industry: control software for Medical Devices. People would ask about the benefits of following a rigorous process and my answer was always the same: Process sets a minimum standard, but unless people believe in producing a quality product, that minimum is all you'll ever get.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by madaxe_again »

yingw787 wrote: post #101
thev4lley wrote: post #60

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

Apparently there's chatter in recent days on China's internet regarding the Three Gorges Dam, and how it's setting / warping due to reservoir backpressure (pictures in link): https://www.theepochtimes.com/experts-warn-of-chinas-three-g... Apparently there's heavy rainfall this year. 300-400 million people live below the dam. I'm unfamiliar with domestic travel restrictions within China, but I can't imagine it's gotte…

Yeah, that’s just a crummy image that looks like it’s been projected onto terrain. You see the same wavy effect on stuff all over google earth, which that appears to be from.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by wongarsu »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #46
seesawtron wrote: post #39

On a smaller but more widespread scale is the issue of fake licenses for driving automobiles. It is common knowledge how you can get these licenses easily in "some" (similar) countries without ever giving a driving test and/or going through any sort of written exam where you have to go through the rules of the road. Some argue that they are only endangering their own lives on the road but one can see how that is comp…

Adding big hoops to jump through and lots of ways to lose the ability to legally do something that is more or less required to be a functioning member of society in many places does not seem wise to me. People wouldn't be breaking the law in order to drive if being able to drive wasn't a really big deal.

Why shouldn't people be able to loose the ability to steer high-speed vehicles if they choose to endanger other people's lives (by driving drunk, significantly speeding, disregarding right of way, etc.).

Similarly dangerous behavior in other areas of life often carries prison sentences, so just loosing a license doesn't seem that bad.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Post by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA »

andrewksl wrote: post #49

I'm genuinely, in a completely non-judgmental way, interested to understand what systemic forces lead to such a staggeringly high percentage of this brand of fraud.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister reads Ayn Rand.

https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/imran-khan-quotes-russian...

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