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An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #242
banads wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain why this is being heavily downvoted? Was something they said false?

> Can someone explain why this is being heavily downvoted? Was something they said false? reply Yea man, I’ve given up caring. Emotions > truth. A one second search of “hillary pied piper” will lead to the Wikileaks archived emails, tons of discussion from Salon to Fox News to Vox to Breitbart. The truth isn’t important. Only the narrative. I don’t have an ironic username here, hiding undesirable facts is not a side…

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Post by dehrmann »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #179
lunchbreak wrote: post #174

A Twitter thread [1] from Matthew Green in this bill. Essentially he says that this bill is a dead on arrival bill which is designed to make EARN IT look like a fair compromise. And we better not fall for it [1] https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/12759760840231198...

We (HNers) might not fall for it but the proven technologically illiterate Representatives and their staff just might. This is why citizen's lobbying is so important. If the lawmakers are willfully ignorant - or in this case willfully arrogant about attacking encryption - the only thing that will get them to vote the right way is to hear from enough real constituents that the lawmakers feel like their reelection will…

If you live in California, let Senator Feinstein's office know you're not pleased with this. Unfortunately I don't think she's up for reelection this year, but if she doesn't retire next year, consider not voting for her in the next primary,

Feinstein was one of the EARN-IT Act's sponsors, and a long-time opponent of cryptography.

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Post by second--shift »

zulgan wrote: post #114

reading those bills makes me feel quite hopeless, considering Gell-Mann Amnesia[1]: Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually pre…

Have an upvote for an ET allusion.

The blog has some interesting philosophy about collective "philosophical" inertia - everything is meta-stable, until it isn't. I can't help but think and feel that we are at or nearing a maxima change - we are pushing over the edge of our current local maxima, and many things about modern society will change all at once.

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Post by jliptzin »

dehrmann wrote: post #252
bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (HNers) might not fall for it but the proven technologically illiterate Representatives and their staff just might. This is why citizen's lobbying is so important. If the lawmakers are willfully ignorant - or in this case willfully arrogant about attacking encryption - the only thing that will get them to vote the right way is to hear from enough real constituents that the lawmakers feel like their reelection will…

If you live in California, let Senator Feinstein's office know you're not pleased with this. Unfortunately I don't think she's up for reelection this year, but if she doesn't retire next year, consider not voting for her in the next primary, Feinstein was one of the EARN-IT Act's sponsors, and a long-time opponent of cryptography.

Feinstein needs to go

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Post by banads »

brianlweiner wrote: post #241
banads wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain why this is being heavily downvoted? Was something they said false?

Probably the ludicrous notion that somehow Hillary Clinton is to blame for electing Donald Trump rather than the millions of people who voted for him despite overwhelming evidence of his lack of fitness for the office.

That's not what I gathered from the comment. It seemed like they were saying that Hillary had desired to run against Trump, according to those leaked emails. Is it false that Hillary wanted to run against Trump, back when many (including myself) didn't think he had a chance?

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Post by hedora »

jbotz wrote: post #127
tomklein wrote: post #64

Democratic nations are drifting more and more away from the wills of their people. How can this be changed?

Perhaps more accurate: some nations are drifting away from democracy. In particular the US can't really be considered a full democracy anymore, and the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) which publishes a "democracy index" every year, has recently downgraded the US to "flawed democracy". I think that this could happen in the US shows that democracy as currently implemented in most countries still has significant desig…

No democracy has lasted more than a few hundred years. I think the constitution needed an expiration date. California’s proposition system is slightly better, but not great.

We probably need about a half dozen amendments at this point. Here are a few:

- “Right to privacy”, including against privatized surveillance.

- “Right to civil protection” (end qualified immunity and binding arbitration / class action waivers)

- Ban slavery, and ban profiting off slavery (no, we don’t have a blanket ban, and yes, forced labor is a huge industry in the US)

- Move closer to proportional democracy. All votes should count equally, regardless of where you live. Currently a Californian vote in a federal senate election is worth - Some sort of police reform. Maybe spell out “equal protection” a bit more clearly.

- Campaign finance (and revolving door bribery) reform

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Post by machinehermit »

tomcooks wrote: post #72

Please stop voting dumbasses in the US, it affects everyone living in countries who have commercial agreements with then

We need to just start with getting rid of being ruled by ridiculously old people.

Bill Pascrell almost certainly remembers where he was as a kid when he found out Hitler had been killed lol. Are you kidding me?

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Post by javajosh »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #224
lowdose wrote: post #213

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Could you tell me more about that?

He means Trump. As seen in the leaked Podesta emails (Hillary’s campaign manager that was phished and has a password of “Pa$$w0rd” or such), Hillary Co asked their media contacts to put emphasis on Trump. To give him more coverage than the others running. They literally called him their “pied piper” candidate. They were so confident they could beat Trump that they helped prop him up. How Hillary skated by with many p…

It's true Hilary underestimated Trump. So did the other GOP candidates. They wanted Trump in the race to make their positions seem less extreme, their manner more presidential, and they hoped that his vast media attention would splash over onto them. Trump was expected to be a kind of "loss leader" for the GOP establishment, something wacky and attention-grabbing and low quality, but gets people in the store to buy something a little more sane. (It turns out the average member of a vastly wealthy sole super-power can become complacent, and grow profoundly ignorant of history, politics, philosophy and economics, so ignorant in fact that they cannot recognize a would-be autocrat. He says, "I can do whatever I want, like put my boot in your face," and they respond ecstatic, "At least he tells it like it is!" I think this flies in the face of every educated person's impression of who America is, which is why Trump blindsided everyone, left and right.

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Post by megous »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #132
el_don_almighty wrote: post #110

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If you don't like the idiots in Congress... then run for office. Engage in the civic process. Why aren't there more nerds and programmers in Congress? We should be there

People won't vote for them. Everyone complains about how politicians behave, but the truth is that they won't vote for you unless you behave like a politician. Voters are just as two-faced as the representatives they complain about.

Not true. We have a pirate party that has like 20% of the mandates in the capital city leadership (won the last election), and 11% in the parliament. Currently it polls around 17% for the parilamentary elections (second place) https://www.ceske-volby.cz/2020/06/14/preference-kantar-cz-c...

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Post by ratacat »

mattmanser wrote: post #144
pensatoio wrote: post #17

These bills terrify me. A lot of stuff happens in politics that’s frustrating, and much of it doesn’t catch my attention. There’s something about the pure ignorance that goes into breaking encryption that I can’t comprehend. I can understand when bills come through and the extreme differences in opinion are the result of different interpretations of facts and truth, but when it comes to encryption, there is no safe p…

What's more terrifying is that this is something you understand. Think of all the bills you don't understand that are just as bad!

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