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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by rorykoehler » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:12 PM UTC

aka1234 wrote: post #163

nickysielicki wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had not heard of that and I am surprised that they would publish something so tabloidish. For what it's worth, I found this page [1] where they state: > Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value. And I found this reddit thread/comment from 11 years ago (when Wikileaks…

I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by evgen » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:12 PM UTC

wyck wrote: post #112

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l... >In the summer of 2016, as WikiLeaks was publishing documents from Democratic operatives allegedly obtained by Kremlin-directed hackers, Julian Assange turned down a large cache of documents related to the Russian government, according to chat messages and a source who pr…

Nothing your saying in this thread is true.

Since they have provided links and supporting evidence for their assertion I would have to say that right now it seems to look like you are the one engaging in blatant propaganda and deception.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by T3RMINATED » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:14 PM UTC

I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never published anything that has been proven false. Not once. Julian Assange is in solitary confinement in a prison on bullshit charges, and this is just another one.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #74

raxxorrax wrote: post #51

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I find this fascinating. You excuse a state apparatus who you are responsible for as a democratic voter. That state apparatus had clear interests in a certain region and fabricated evidence to justify a war. And you moan about character flaws of someone who helped get evidence of misbehavior to the public? Seriously? No other problems? edit: You know that intelligence agencies try to discredit dissidents and make up…

As a non US person is clear that his support in US fall because of Russia-Trump business (I have no idea if that was clarified by an investigation or it was suppressed) anyway the hypocrisy is clear: "We like lacks about corruption in Russia or China abuses but if you upset my favorite politicians then justice and laws are irrelevant, we can find some bullshit reason to suicide you or put you in prison". what is extr…

> As a non US person is clear that his support in US fall because of Russia-Trump busines

His support in the US was only ever on the fringes (because they liked anything damaging to the then-current war efforts regardless of methodology) and ,because of the partisan affiliation of the President, that was mostly on the left fringes, and the reason they supported it was partisan politics.

Naturally, even without the Russia connection, the “Trump business” destroyed that. But it's not “hypocrisy” the lost him support.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by nickysielicki » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #79

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

Not sure I understand your point, he is not being indicted for publishing false information. Assuming he never did, why would that make the charges bullshit?

I'm not saying his record means the charges are bullshit, but I'm saying if the charges are bullshit and his record is infallible then the implication is that we live under a government without freedom of the press, where truthful hard-hitting journalism gets you put in prison.

If you don't believe that Assange has done truthful hard-hitting journalism, or you believe that he isn't a journalist at all, then you can maintain the belief that we don't put journalists in prison while sitting idle as he rots in prison, because he is not a True Journalist. "We wouldn't do that to True Journalists. Assange is different."

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by boomboomsubban » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #161

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

>> I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never published anything that has been proven false. Not once. Assuming what you said is true, don't you think that some things should be secret, at least for a while?

War crimes?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by monocasa » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #124

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #108

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I see two possible interpretations: A - This is a special process meant to assure that reports are truly independent and neutral. These conclusions are even more trustworthy. B - UN Special Rapporteur can't be trusted, it's is a random nobody that can publish untrue allegations and slap UN logo on top. It appears you are implying B is the correct interpretations. If so, why? Additionally, can you suggest a more trust…

OK I'll be explicit. You attempted to spin the opinion of special rapporteur into that of the UN. In every special rapporteur article they have to put the disclaimer I posted because of people like you attempting to frame something in false or malicious ways. To recap your claim: >Its not just my opinion, its the UN opinion. UN's actual position as stated in the article you posted: >The Special Rapporteurs are part o…

The UN's own press statements refer to the Special Rapporteurs as "UN Experts"

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by stx » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

fsloth wrote: post #72

dijit wrote: post #63

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Ugh, don't make me do this: Selectively releasing documents is not the same as releasing something later proven to be false, which is what the GP asserted. FWIW you could play devils advocate here and say that wikileaks could not independently verify the omitted things; but I'm not going to go there because it's conjecture. Just as your suggestion that it's collusion with Russia, however likely, is also conjecture.

Selectively releasing everyone else's dirt except for Russia is a strong indicator of non-neutral stance.

Is it really necessary to leak information on Russia? Outside Russia we already know that they have done bad things. Besides was the information he leaked untrue? As an US citizen I am most interested in when is going on inside my own country not only because it affects me but also because I have the ability to push for change.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by strictnein » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:20 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #102

mhoad wrote: post #57

I think this really kills the idea that Assange was ever a real journalist. Directing cyber attacks and theft of information is not journalism.

Being a journalist is not an endorsement of character. You can be a criminal and a journalist, a thief and a journalist, a horrible person and a journalist.

But how you obtain your information definitely does change whether or not you should be called a "journalist". If your information is obtained through blackmail, for instance, you are not a journalist you are an extortionist.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by selimthegrim » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #86

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #56

I do not see president Biden pardoning Assange

That's why I voted for Tulsi.

Tulsi is on the BJP/VHP payroll and if you think Trump has a thing for Muslim bans/camps and cozying up to dictators, you ain't seen nothing yet.