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Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by raxxorrax »

Traster wrote: post #46
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #19

Wikileaks used to be something, then Assange decided to filter leaks based on whatever biases he felt that day. He alienated a lot of his initial supporters doing this, focusing only on leaking content from "the west." Later fully engaging with state sponsored hackers to meddle in the US election[1] while again ignoring any leaks about Russia[2] and friends. As far as I can tell there is nothing left of Wikileaks, it…

Every account of Assange shows a deeply flawed man. Even the generous ones - and whilst he was painted as a freedom fighter for a short period, I'm not convinced that was ever due to anything more than his agenda accidentally aligning with pro government accountability campaigners for a very short time. Also, it seems unlikely there was ever anything to wikileaks beyond Assange - that's certainly what his colleagues…

I find this fascinating. You excuse a state apparatus who you are responsible for as a democratic voter. That state apparatus had clear interests in a certain region and fabricated evidence to justify a war.

And you moan about character flaws of someone who helped get evidence of misbehavior to the public? Seriously? No other problems?

edit: You know that intelligence agencies try to discredit dissidents and make up fake evidence, do you?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by et2o »

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

He has published numerous falsehoods. Please don’t buy this uncritically.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by hardlianotion »

henearkr wrote: post #39
ReptileMan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean ... the US has not even got hands on him yet. He hasn't been in US custody for a second. There is absolutely no case. Yet. If you want to feel contempt strongly towards someone - the UK, Ecuador and Sweden governments are the ones to blame so far.

Yes, you're right. But the pressure to do so comes from the US all the same... You're right that what's happening in UK with Assange is very disturbing... I followed Craig Murray's blog posts.

Assange is in prison in the UK because he skipped bail.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by softwarejosh »

et2o wrote: post #52
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

He has published numerous falsehoods. Please don’t buy this uncritically.

Please list your sources when discrediting someone

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by raxxorrax »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #47
raxxorrax wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole Russian story was a scam. We have documents saying that is was told to abuse FISA powers. Not that I like the persons it was employed against, but it is far larger than watergate if we had honest discussion about it. If you still talk about Russia, you have been fooled immensely and for me it is beyond comprehension how anyone could earnestly believe that story arc. You are spreading lies.

>The whole Russian story was a scam. Tell that to Adrian Chen or anyone that has actually investigated Russia's meddling in foreign affairs: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html This was reported before the election detailing the agency that would go on to be fingered by the state department and others in their role in US election meddling. This involved actual reported places, actual employees…

Of course Russia meddles in election, the US does that too. That is not relevant to the FISA abuse wich let to severe surveillance of the current administration to find a straw to attach it to them. They didn't find one btw. which is unusual in politics. Trump may indeed be extremely clean and that is something quite hard to say.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by enraged_camel »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #50
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

The only conclusion I can raise from people like yourself who argue Julian Assange be imprisoned is that you welcome ignorance. You genuinely wish to not know what powerful people are behaving in this world. And that conclusion is in many ways scarier to me than the fact that he is being prosecuted for the crime of journalism.

This is a ridiculously bad faith allegation. Is that really the only conclusion you can raise?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

raxxorrax wrote: post #37
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

The whole Russian story was a scam. We have documents saying that is was told to abuse FISA powers. Not that I like the persons it was employed against, but it is far larger than watergate if we had honest discussion about it. If you still talk about Russia, you have been fooled immensely and for me it is beyond comprehension how anyone could earnestly believe that story arc. You are spreading lies.

But it worked. Look at how easily we can be manipulated once we're told we're under attack by a foreign power. Propaganda works.

James Comey knew this just as well as Senator McCarthy did. They didn't even need to change the protagonist.

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