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An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#191

> (R-SC)...(R-AR)...(R-TN) It's funny how you can read just that and know that the bill is going to be absurdly bad. Not even just bad in the philosophical/political sense but actually just bad as in not understanding the problem space, or not even formulated clearly or coherently.

Are you saying that Rs or people from southern states are incapable of critical and analytical thinking?

Yes.

(Just saw an opportunity for a joke and took it)

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#192

Please stop voting dumbasses in the US, it affects everyone living in countries who have commercial agreements with then

It also affects countries that don't have trade agreements with the US. Lots of countries use whatever the US and Europe are doing as inspiration for their own policies. My country introduced a GDPR-style law shortly after watching Europe do the same.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#193
Have any smart people in tech come up with a solution that would satisfy the 4th amendment while preserving secure communications? It seems that to lawmakers, tech people are proclaiming that they've done such a good job building secure systems that the 4th amendment cannot apply to them.

Personally, I'd rather let some criminals go free than to break encryption. I don't see lawmakers being willing to make the same trade-off.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we had concentration camps for Japanese people during World War II I study WW2, and it's important to be factual. The correct term is internment camps. Japanese-Americans usually lost their property, but the purpose was to locate them in central locations, not to re-educate or liquidate them, as our enemies did to the Allies. For that time in history, it could be argued that the decision made sense. Japanese subs d…

>For that time in history, it could be argued that the decision made sense. Japanese subs did shell the US mainland, and Japanese-Americans in Hawaii did help a Japanese aircrew try to escape after Pearl Harbor. Japan planned to return to Hawaii after Midway to occupy Hawaii. It could also be argued that it made sense to do the same for Germans since we had a minority of Germans siding with Hitler and even holding Na…

I believe that US citizens of German descent were actually placed in internment camps during WW2. I don't think it was at the same scale as Japanese citizens but it did happen.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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post #193

Have any smart people in tech come up with a solution that would satisfy the 4th amendment while preserving secure communications? It seems that to lawmakers, tech people are proclaiming that they've done such a good job building secure systems that the 4th amendment cannot apply to them. Personally, I'd rather let some criminals go free than to break encryption. I don't see lawmakers being willing to make the same t…

> Have any smart people in tech come up with a solution that would satisfy the 4th amendment while preserving secure communications?

Sure. The 4th Amendment has nothing against anything that preserves secure communications.

> It seems that to lawmakers, tech people are proclaiming that they've done such a good job building secure systems that the 4th amendment cannot apply to them.

No, they are proclaiming that getting dangerous people is so important that the privacy rights like those in the Fourth Amendment shouldn't apply, which tendency is exactly why we have the Fourth Amendment.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

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post #193

Have any smart people in tech come up with a solution that would satisfy the 4th amendment while preserving secure communications? It seems that to lawmakers, tech people are proclaiming that they've done such a good job building secure systems that the 4th amendment cannot apply to them. Personally, I'd rather let some criminals go free than to break encryption. I don't see lawmakers being willing to make the same t…

All secure encryption is compatible with the 4th amendment. The 4th amendment is a restriction on the government, not a requirement for citizens to structure their personal affairs so we can be easily searched.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#197

Crypto is classified as an armament for export control. I’m keeping mine under the second amendment, since the folks who wrote this bill seem to care about that one. As an aside: does that mean US DoD will get a back door as well? As a secure provider with over 1M users that required encryption at rest and in transit I think they should be the first to give up the keys to law enforcement.

Congress should be the first to lose the things they vote to restrict. They should lose it for at least a year before a bill is allowed to pass by simple majority.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#198

> (R-SC)...(R-AR)...(R-TN) It's funny how you can read just that and know that the bill is going to be absurdly bad. Not even just bad in the philosophical/political sense but actually just bad as in not understanding the problem space, or not even formulated clearly or coherently.

Are you saying that Rs or people from southern states are incapable of critical and analytical thinking?

Not sure, maybe it's the combination.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#199

Do we need an amendment to the constitution? We can't keep fighting these fights. Eventually they will win.

We need secure software in the hands of everyone making these attempts plainly unenforceable, rather than the current status quo of everyone's software destiny being administered by centralized companies that will comply with totalitarian shit at the drop of a hat.

Re: An even worse anti-encryption bill than EARN IT

#200

What’s the situation when two (ostensibly friendly) superpowers, the US and EU, have totally mutually incompatible laws regarding something totally transnational? I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m asking legally, what is a company to do if they want to do business in both locations?

That basically almost already happened with the Microsoft case a while back. The US government asked Microsoft US to give it some data that was held by a subsidiary (call it Microsoft EU) in Ireland. It went quite high up in the US courts, because it was illegal for Microsoft US to not hand over the data, but also illegal for Microsoft EU to hand over the data. But basically because the company was split along jurisdiction lines, there was the possibility for Microsoft US to tell Microsoft EU to hand it the data, Microsoft EU to say no, and Microsoft US to say to the US government "Well, we tried."
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