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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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But the relevant question is "Why should a person's private medical history be public knowledge?"

As an officer of a public corporation, how much privacy can one expect? I agree that he had a right to privacy, same as anyone else.

> I agree that he had a right to privacy, same as anyone else.

Agreed.

> As an officer of a public corporation, how much privacy can one expect?

So we should violate his rights without repercussion? Lost me.

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Selectively releasing everyone else's dirt except for Russia is a strong indicator of non-neutral stance.

Sorry I must have missed where anyone in this thread-chain has asserted that statement at all.

Lies of omission are still lies.

To use an extreme example, if a reporting organization writes a story about one nation launching missile strikes against another, and leaves out that they were retaliatory strikes from a previous attack, that dramatically changes the perception of those events. If this sort of thing is continually done to benefit one entity, it is reasonable to question the honesty of the reporter.

Even if the released documents are all accurate, the previous lies of omission would cause a reasonable person to question whether or not the released documents provide adequate context.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

I had not heard of that and I am surprised that they would publish something so tabloidish. For what it's worth, I found this page [1] where they state:

> Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.

And I found this reddit thread/comment from 11 years ago (when Wikileaks released it) that contains the same text, so it's not as though they released the document and then corrected themselves after the fact -- they published it alongside a warning that it's probably bogus. [2]

[1]: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_...

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7qo8n/steve_job...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Lots of journalists, say, in France for example, hurl shit in the face of US every day, with lots of investigations, and they still are more or less protected and the country where they live abide by the law... So, that's what personally I would have expected and hoped about Assange too. The reality is different from what you present: it is not common that journalists opposing to US are (internationally) repressed at…

What do you think would happen if an journalist started trying to help hackers recover secrets from French Intelligence agencies and then published them for the whole world to see? What if the leaked secrets were mostly true? Do you think the French Government would celebrate the journalist? Or would they do everything in their power to stop them?

This articles is not about journalists, but it is somewhat related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

#155

"Julian Assange Founder"? Headline needs a fix. Though, it may be speaking to that cog association that people have formed: 'Assange=wikileaks'....

bugger yes indeed, ... apologies. it originally said "wikileaks founder" which I sloppily editorialized. I should not have bothered with it.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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HIV can cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, so that could have caused his cancer. It’s actually not that far outside the realm of possibility. Condom use was not very common in the 70s and one can live with HIV dormant for many years.

HIV wasn't around in the 1970s (in Western countries at least) and also Jobs wasn't in the more at-risk demographics for the disease.

It very much was around in the 1970s, and you have no idea what his sex life was. But none of this is any of our business.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

> I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never published anything that has been proven false.

That is a very odd misdirection given the context. He's not accused of lying, he's accused of computer crimes.

I mean, your medical records and browsing history may be 100% true and verifiably copied from original sources, but if I steal and distribute them I'm still going to jail.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Oh, sorry if it was not very clear, I was saying that US treatment of the Assange case was disgusting me. By "American great minds", I was thinking about all the American mathematicians and scientists whose books I passionately devour, and the splendid futuristic projects of some tech corps, which bring sci-fi dreams to reality.

I mean ... the US has not even got hands on him yet. He hasn't been in US custody for a second. There is absolutely no case. Yet. If you want to feel contempt strongly towards someone - the UK, Ecuador and Sweden governments are the ones to blame so far.

So you are saying charging a journalist with these things is OK?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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It’s not hard to work out what it means, but the headline should probably either be: “Julian Assange Charged...” or the original “Wikileaks Founder Charged...” The current half-and-half is a little strange (who founded Julian Assange?).

I agree, I figured they were charging someone else that helped found the Julian Assange Foundation or something.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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I don't think that's what OP meant. At one point, I also thought WikiLeaks was going to be a new type of internet-era news organization pushing for full transparency, regardless of the target. I was disappointed when it turned out they were aimed solely at discrediting America and would editorialize and time their drops for maximum damage. They decided to become that kind of an organization, and they lost credibility…

Is it not possible that Wikileaks decided it was safer for them to report on the US, given our supposed press freedoms?

It's possible. Has Wikileaks ever stated as such?
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