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I edited to include a source after you posted: the founder of BLM refers to herself as a trained Marxist. The reason people are speaking about it more now is such Marxist groups seized part of one city (Seattle) and staged riots nationally. Generally speaking, when an ideological group uses their network to stage violent riots, people talk about it. People such as Jordan Peterson or Michael Knowles have been speaking…

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I'm generally on Assange's side in all of this. I agree he shouldn't be charged and this is all a disgrace. Having said that, I once went to wikileaks and found a PDF of Steve Job's supposed STD test which claimed he was HIV positive. That was a surprise to me as my understanding was that he died of cancer. I looked into it and no one could corroborate the story and the general consensus seemed to be that it was fake…

HIV can cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, so that could have caused his cancer. It’s actually not that far outside the realm of possibility. Condom use was not very common in the 70s and one can live with HIV dormant for many years.

HIV wasn't around in the 1970s (in Western countries at least) and also Jobs wasn't in the more at-risk demographics for the disease.

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Of course Russia meddles in election, the US does that too. That is not relevant to the FISA abuse wich let to severe surveillance of the current administration to find a straw to attach it to them. They didn't find one btw. which is unusual in politics. Trump may indeed be extremely clean and that is something quite hard to say.

I downvoted this comment because it is dizzying how quickly you moved the goal posts from "the whole Russia thing was a scam" to "of course Russia meddled".

Would admitting that the country of Russia exists be a goalpost move from "the whole Russia thing was a scam"?

The idea that if Russia had an opinion about a US election and utilized its diplomatic powers to encourage its preferred outcome, all of the endless conspiracies about Russian meddling have been verified - it's not good.

It's not as bad as the thing where if a Russian national ever spoke to anyone, "Russia" was involved.

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> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

Hello fellow concerned citizen!

Did you create that throwaway account in anticipation of yesterday's release of this story, or do you keep a stack to pick from?

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I love how part of the evidence is Julian’s public talks. I do not trust US Attorneys because they have a habit of lying and twisting facts. The original indictment against Julian was very short and ridiculous.

Let’s hope those around President Trump encourage him to pardon Julian on principle. If it’s not him, a future President will pardon him.

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HIV can cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, so that could have caused his cancer. It’s actually not that far outside the realm of possibility. Condom use was not very common in the 70s and one can live with HIV dormant for many years.

HIV wasn't around in the 1970s (in Western countries at least) and also Jobs wasn't in the more at-risk demographics for the disease.

Right, but my point is that those who grew up in that era did not adopt condom use until much later. Old Steve was known to get around a lot.

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Feels like the last decade has shown Leaking to the General Public is not very productive. As in outcomes are poor. There is always something else lined up every 2 minutes to pull attention away from the leak. I am not sure if anyone studies "leaking effectiveness" but I am guessing in info tsunami conditions larger the leak less impact it has. Cause no one knows whose network of power is going to get impacted so eve…

Maybe? It's true that the outcomes have not been what I'd have hoped for, but I'm not sure we can say that leaking has had no impact. It's hard to A/B test what the outcome would be if the leaks hadn't occurred. Things might be worse. Hard to imagine how, exactly, but it's possible the leaks had enough positive impact to be worthwhile...

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The whole Russian story was a scam. We have documents saying that is was told to abuse FISA powers. Not that I like the persons it was employed against, but it is far larger than watergate if we had honest discussion about it. If you still talk about Russia, you have been fooled immensely and for me it is beyond comprehension how anyone could earnestly believe that story arc. You are spreading lies.

But it worked. Look at how easily we can be manipulated once we're told we're under attack by a foreign power. Propaganda works. James Comey knew this just as well as Senator McCarthy did. They didn't even need to change the protagonist.

This time the candidates are going to fight over which is more antagonistic to China. Turns out Russia is a weak country that has very little reach outside of itself other than the activities of its billionaire oligarchs. China is a far more believable big bad.

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Ah. Yes. That makes sense. People like Manning and Snowden expose nastiness, but, at the same time, we absolutely need to ensure military and espionage secrets (Full disclosure: my father was in the CIA, but quit on moral grounds - http://cmarshall.com/miscellaneous/MikeMarshall.htm ). People die when military secrets get exposed. That's often completely unintended, but it happens anyway. My father had a post similar…

When we have unfallable machinery in place to keep secrets safe, and no honorable people to leak them what will we have then? Is the world worse off because of the Pentagon papers? You bring up Plame, but I think you are doing your readers a disservice in not citing that she was exposed not by journalist, but by a people in power to silence the truth that her husband was speaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_…

I'm actually aware of the story. I'm outraged.

My father was quite liberal. You may have missed the part where I mentioned that he quit the CIA on moral grounds?

It's just that if he had been outed, there's a better than even chance that I would have been killed, so you might say that I have a right to my opinion.

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