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Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #11
moomin wrote: post #5

Hang on, did they just accuse Chelsea Manning of attempting to hack computer systems? Is that a new allegation? To the best of my knowledge she only ever used access she already had, not attempted privilege escalation. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

That was my understanding, as well. I was under the impression that Manning already had pretty carte blanche access to a lot of stuff, and that was how she was able to get it in the first place. Maybe one of the items she provided to Assange was encrypted, and he worked to break the encryption, without consulting Manning.

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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by Ygg2 »

notkaiho wrote: post #13
lambdaba wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think they are? I ask because I haven't researched beyond the initial news stories.

Aren't the initial news stories credible?

Aren't the news dead silent in regards to that accusation?

Moment US raised its charges, the Sweden rape case is nowhere to be found.

Not to mention, Assanage agreed to that investigation if they could guarantee not to be extradited to US.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by tsimionescu »

pell wrote: post #6

I'm not a fan of Assange and I think the allegations in Sweden were credible. But what is currently happening to him is beyond unjust.

Given that the UN investigation considers that the allegations were not credible, and that the Swedish prosecutors had all the access and precedent they needed to carry on their investigation remotely if they had wanted to, I see much more reason to think they were not credible.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ganzuul »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #19

Wikileaks used to be something, then Assange decided to filter leaks based on whatever biases he felt that day. He alienated a lot of his initial supporters doing this, focusing only on leaking content from "the west." Later fully engaging with state sponsored hackers to meddle in the US election[1] while again ignoring any leaks about Russia[2] and friends. As far as I can tell there is nothing left of Wikileaks, it…

You sound as warmblooded as a snake. Got any facts to back up these claims with prosecutor?

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Post by thatlongthrow1 »

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760

He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by nickysielicki »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #11
moomin wrote: post #5

Hang on, did they just accuse Chelsea Manning of attempting to hack computer systems? Is that a new allegation? To the best of my knowledge she only ever used access she already had, not attempted privilege escalation. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

That was my understanding, as well. I was under the impression that Manning already had pretty carte blanche access to a lot of stuff, and that was how she was able to get it in the first place. Maybe one of the items she provided to Assange was encrypted, and he worked to break the encryption, without consulting Manning.

It's so much worse than this.

Via instant messenger, Manning asked Assange whether Wikileaks could crack NTLM hashes. Assange said (paraphrasing), "Yeah, we can probably do that." Manning sent the hashes. Assange said he'd work on cracking them. A few days later, Manning asked if the hashes had been cracked. Assange replied that there hadn't been any progress.

End of story. That's a federal crime. No hashes were cracked, let alone sent back to Manning. No additional access was gained. He simply agreed to accept the hashes from Manning, which were freely offered.

Maybe he agreed because he didn't want to spook his source. Maybe he never even started hashcat. We'll never know.

edit:

source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/886185-pe-123.html (middle of page 6)

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by wazoox »

pell wrote: post #6

I'm not a fan of Assange and I think the allegations in Sweden were credible. But what is currently happening to him is beyond unjust.

They were credible until they were revealed as complete fabrications by no other than the UN human rights reporter:

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2018/02/13/news/few_documen...

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-05-01/why-julia...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by lapinot »

op03 wrote: post #17

Feels like the last decade has shown Leaking to the General Public is not very productive. As in outcomes are poor. There is always something else lined up every 2 minutes to pull attention away from the leak. I am not sure if anyone studies "leaking effectiveness" but I am guessing in info tsunami conditions larger the leak less impact it has. Cause no one knows whose network of power is going to get impacted so eve…

So now more and more mainstream OS have storage encryption easily enabled, everyone in tech seems to need to communicate about how much their product is privacy friendly and you would still say that the last decade of tech leaks hasn't been very productive? I'm not saying that it changed everything and that we're now safe, far from that. But at least that topic is now unavoidable.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by mellosouls »

notkaiho wrote: post #13
lambdaba wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think they are? I ask because I haven't researched beyond the initial news stories.

Aren't the initial news stories credible?

The ones that were curiously timed with the US wanting him brought to heel for wikileaks?

The ones that were curiously dropped late last year when extradition from Sweden was no longer needed?

I don't know Assange, and don't find him a likeable character from the reports I've read, and don't think much of wikileaks and its lack of filtering, but the whole Assange sexual assault allegations case stinks.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by k1m »

pell wrote: post #6

I'm not a fan of Assange and I think the allegations in Sweden were credible. But what is currently happening to him is beyond unjust.

Regarding the allegations, many do not believe they are credible. See for example this comment by the UN's Nils Melzer:

> Surely, I thought, Assange must be a rapist! But what I found is that he has never been charged with a sexual offence. True, soon after the United States had encouraged allies to find reasons to prosecute Assange, Swedish prosecution informed the tabloid press that he was suspected of having raped two women. Strangely, however, the women themselves never claimed to have been raped, nor did they intend to report a criminal offence. Go figure. Moreover, the forensic examination of a condom submitted as evidence, supposedly worn and torn during intercourse with Assange, revealed no DNA whatsoever — neither his, nor hers, nor anybody else’s. Go figure again. One woman even texted that she only wanted Assange to take an HIV test, but that the police were “keen on getting their hands on him”. Go figure, once more. Ever since, both Sweden and Britain have done everything to prevent Assange from confronting these allegations without simultaneously having to expose himself to US extradition and, thus, to a show-trial followed by life in jail. His last refuge had been the Ecuadorian Embassy.

https://medium.com/@njmelzer/demasking-the-torture-of-julian...

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