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Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by abtom »

bzb3 wrote: post #16
abtom wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook as a bastion of free speech? That's not something you hear often. I don't even even want to dig up the old examples of Zuckerberg bending over backwards for China, here's a recent example from Vietnam - https://in.reuters.com/article/vietnam-facebook/exclusive-fa...

They only censor when the government forces them to. In other words they do the minimum to comply with the local law. Isn't that what we were looking for?

If they were only complying with court orders / subpoenas that's what would be called doing the minimum to comply with the law. They have done way more than that in the past - giving out tools to governments to enable mass surveillance and takedown of posts/accounts. Whatever content any government agency has a problem with is taken down immediately.

Don't be mistaken. This is not Facebook standing up for your rights. It's them not wanting to stop fake news from spreading on their platform because that would hurt the bottomline.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by moksly »

I wonder how much of it is Facebook being unwilling to be editorial and how much of it is then being unable to moderate a couple of billion users.

Either way, they might not get a choice. The EU is going to regulate them more and more. My own country is passing a law to force platforms to remove child pornography within 24 hours of it being reported as an example of where it starts. Won’t be long before we make enabling nazi groups planning hate crimes illegal either.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by joubert »

flattone wrote: post #24
rootusrootus wrote: post #10

While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back.

Speculative: Before enough users start moving away maybe Facebook will figure out how to make it a legal requirement for us citizens to have a Facebook. You laugh now ... you can buy me a drink in 10 years or so.

Legal requirement for citizens to have a FB account seems highly highly unlikely to me, but perhaps I’m not paying sufficient attention.

Why do you speculate that? Specifically, do you see signs of changes that could likely lead to that outcome?

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

scarface74 wrote: post #44
ecmascript wrote: post #5

So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate? Wow, that kind of rhetoric is dangerous imo. For once I actually think Facebook have made the right call. Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Good job Facebook, thanks…

But FB will. There was a story where a random FB user copied Trump’s posts verbatim. The user got censored. Trump didn’t.

I don't know what FB's content moderation policy on plagiarism is. To give them the benefit of the doubt: perhaps the user was censored for plagiarising a celebrity's post? There's a cler distinction between parody and plagiarism.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by kombucha111 »

blueterminal wrote: post #36
ecmascript wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. It is super scary to see what's happening in the USA at the moment with leftists' unquestioned total domination.

You are being severely misinformed. Nothing even close to that is happening right now. The movement is decidedly not tyrannical and certainly does not have unquestioned total domination. But the ideas behind it are very popular to be honest. People are sick of the current socio-economic arrangement, the abuse of authority and race relations on many levels.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by School-Cotton »

slavapestov wrote: post #43
creaghpatr wrote: post #30

Given what they are trying to do to Scott Alexander, it's hard to take NYT's reporting angle seriously.

I’ve never read “Slate Star Codec” and I didn’t even hear about it until this week but I’m guessing it’s a blog about James Damore-style biological determinism. Can someone explain why this kind of material is so popular with San Francisco app developers?

Your guess is wrong

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by searchableguy »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #28
ecmascript wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

> It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Isn't that expressing free speech? Or do you believe those headers have been coerced, and they feel forced to post one? I'm dubious that's the case, and I doubt it'll affect the frameworks future success whether they post one or not.

> do you believe those headers have been coerced, and they feel forced to post one?

https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267893460423462912

https://twitter.com/aweary/status/1267895488205869057

Not taking any sides here.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by aphextron »

rootusrootus wrote: post #10

While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back.

>"While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back."

Counterpoint: users already have moved away, and that's why advertisers are able to do this without hesitation now. FB is still growing in the third world, but I don't know a single person in the US under 30 that still uses it.

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