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Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by tomp »

Nice. I like that companies are putting their money where their mouth is, and not just doing cheap virtue signalling, like posting a black square on Instagram.

I think, and hope, however, that Facebook will come out victorious; (1) freedom of speech is important, (2) it's not up to Facebook to be the arbitrer of what's allowed or not (it's up to the law), (3) advertisers need Facebook more than Facebook needs them, and (4) sooner or later companies will learn that SJW-ing is at worst negative (each company could easily come under attack itself) and at best irrelevant (did Pepsi suffer any long-term consequences for the backlash against it a year or 2 ago? Did Gillete gain a lot for publishing its anti-toxic masculinity ad? I doubt it.)

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by durkie »

ecmascript wrote: post #13
fennecfoxen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liberal society is ending, and you must swear allegiance to the People's Party, comrade. Otherwise, we will publicly denounce you, and will not permit you to engage in any business activity. There will be an ideological examination. Study hard!

It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

definitely no history of racism there.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by flattone »

rootusrootus wrote: post #10

While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back.

Speculative: Before enough users start moving away maybe Facebook will figure out how to make it a legal requirement for us citizens to have a Facebook.

You laugh now ... you can buy me a drink in 10 years or so.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by ecmascript »

AlexandrB wrote: post #15
ecmascript wrote: post #5

So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate? Wow, that kind of rhetoric is dangerous imo. For once I actually think Facebook have made the right call. Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Good job Facebook, thanks…

> Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Let's not pretend. Facebook and other social media already do that for you by deciding what content ends up getting surfaced and promoted. If what's true never ends up in your feed, how can you decide?

I'm not sure exactly how the facebook feed works since I am not a user, but I assume I can "follow" people and orgs that interest me and not follow those who don't?

Do you really think I would start to believe the state media in my country for example even if they promoted it as truth? I would simply just ignore it or use it as proof as why they are spreading fake news.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by chooseaname »

ecmascript wrote: post #5

So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate? Wow, that kind of rhetoric is dangerous imo. For once I actually think Facebook have made the right call. Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Good job Facebook, thanks…

>Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. > Let me decide what is true and false...

Yes.

But...

Facebook's algorithms do not give you both sides of the story. You may end up being presented with only ads, statements, opinions, etc from one side of the isle. Now, if you don't mind being inside an echo chamber, then you're good. But a lot of people can't tell that there inside an echo chamber and this ... is problematic.

I don't think the answer is censorship. I don't think there is a correct way to fix this without someone getting their who-ha tied in a knot. But leaving it as it is is just not healthy.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by unclebucknasty »

ecmascript wrote: post #5

So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate? Wow, that kind of rhetoric is dangerous imo. For once I actually think Facebook have made the right call. Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Good job Facebook, thanks…

>So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate?

No. He's complicit in spreading fake news and hate because he operates a platform that traffics in fake news and hate.

>Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me.

Decide? There are objective facts. How is society served when the world's largest megaphone knowingly amplifies hateful lies as truth? How does it help people to remain free if they can no longer determine what's real?

>Good job Facebook, thanks for standing up for free speech

And advertisers are exercising their free speech. Never understood why the "it's ok to scream fire in the theater"-level free speech advocates also want that speech to be free of consequences to the point of curtailing others' rights. FB is free to try profiting from lies and hate and advertisers are free to opt-out.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ecmascript wrote: post #13
fennecfoxen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liberal society is ending, and you must swear allegiance to the People's Party, comrade. Otherwise, we will publicly denounce you, and will not permit you to engage in any business activity. There will be an ideological examination. Study hard!

It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

> It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header.

Isn't that expressing free speech? Or do you believe those headers have been coerced, and they feel forced to post one? I'm dubious that's the case, and I doubt it'll affect the frameworks future success whether they post one or not.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Post by buboard »

Maybe instead of trying to damage fb directly, nytimes could instead write about the countless social communities that facebook destroyed abd sidelined over the years. It s not long ago that nytimes was writing praises about facebook, we remember.

Unfortunately these days it doesn’t seem that nytimes holds itself to a higher moral standard than fb

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/business/smallbusiness/12...

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/technology/08class.html

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