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Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by JimDabell »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

Suggestion: the access logs your web server collects are enough for basic analytics, and if you are curious for more, you can manually instrument your site a little. You don't need to give Google the power to spy on your users.

Server logs can't do this job well.

If the system is designed well, in a lot of cases the users won't be receiving the resource from your server, they will be receiving it from a) their browser cache, b) their local network cache, c) their ISP's cache, or d) a CDN. Your server logs might be showing several thousand hits while the number of times a page is actually shown to somebody might be tens of thousands of hits.

Server logs are great for logging what is happening on your server, but awful for understanding your user base.

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by PudgePacket »

StartupTree wrote: post #30
zpeti wrote: post #10

That little rumour about Apple buying DuckDuckGo seem to make more and more sense by the day.

Nonsense that Apple would buy DuckDuckGo. DGG is just a wrapper around Bing Search. Therefore Apple could recreate DGG from scratch in a month.

The value in DDG is the userbase and brand.

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by 0x0 »

bactisme wrote: post #26

I really thinks it's a weird move. Safari user will disapear from our understanding of the web. We might not design and code for Safari because these users will become virtually innexistent. I am a small publisher, Safari users are demonetized , untracable, i might just say to them gtfo.

That would be leaving a lot of money on the table up for grabs by your competitors that do know how to see through this situation.

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by luckylion »

JimDabell wrote: post #31
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

Suggestion: the access logs your web server collects are enough for basic analytics, and if you are curious for more, you can manually instrument your site a little. You don't need to give Google the power to spy on your users.

Server logs can't do this job well. If the system is designed well, in a lot of cases the users won't be receiving the resource from your server, they will be receiving it from a) their browser cache, b) their local network cache, c) their ISP's cache, or d) a CDN. Your server logs might be showing several thousand hits while the number of times a page is actually shown to somebody might be tens of thousands of hits.…

Are b) and c) still a common thing with most of the Traffic now encrypted?

I wouldn't worry about a) too much, as you've already counted them, most sites are "one time use", and those that aren't usually have some interactive or time-sensitive feature that requires short (if any) ttl on any caches not under the site's control. d) is true, but also is somewhat under the site's control and should provide numbers.

Most people use GA for a rough picture of "how many people visit my site?", and stats from any CDN will most likely be enough for that. And browser caching doesn't really concern those people, because most visitors aren't returning visitors.

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by paul7986 »

zpeti wrote: post #10

That little rumour about Apple buying DuckDuckGo seem to make more and more sense by the day.

I'd love if DDG offered email, but they were just a front-end for your iCloud.com email. My Gmail usage would drop a ton.

I do have a iCloud email address, but on a desktop I have to leave the browser and open up an email client. I only open email clients while at work cause I have to.

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by microtherion »

paul7986 wrote: post #35
zpeti wrote: post #10

That little rumour about Apple buying DuckDuckGo seem to make more and more sense by the day.

I'd love if DDG offered email, but they were just a front-end for your iCloud.com email. My Gmail usage would drop a ton. I do have a iCloud email address, but on a desktop I have to leave the browser and open up an email client. I only open email clients while at work cause I have to.

You do realize that you can read e-mail from the browser if you log into icloud.com?

Re: Safari now blocks Google Analytics on sites, new Privacy Report feature shows

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Post by eecc »

JimDabell wrote: post #31
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

Suggestion: the access logs your web server collects are enough for basic analytics, and if you are curious for more, you can manually instrument your site a little. You don't need to give Google the power to spy on your users.

Server logs can't do this job well. If the system is designed well, in a lot of cases the users won't be receiving the resource from your server, they will be receiving it from a) their browser cache, b) their local network cache, c) their ISP's cache, or d) a CDN. Your server logs might be showing several thousand hits while the number of times a page is actually shown to somebody might be tens of thousands of hits.…

Oh yes they do, and why would you want to break network caching to spy on your users? You can always add some little js to ping your server (logs! Again!) or a non-cacheable tracking pixel.
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