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Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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If they can present peer reviewed evidence of its efficacy then it should stay, otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to make false medical claims.

So you're saying bye bye hypnotism apps too? And bye bye business books? I think the app is absurd, but I think the call for apple to censor it is wrong.

I guess fraud combined with the oppression of fellow humans is probably what pisses people off about this app.

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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except that this is a privately owned app store. I defend Apple's right to exercise its property rights. But not to the death. I'm busy that week.

I'm not claiming that Apple does not have the right to curate their property as they see fit. I, on the other hand - apart from not buying their products - have the right to observe that Apple Inc represents a bunch of unprincipled hypocrits. I hope this helps.

You certainly have the right to think and say whatever you like.

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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It didn't deserve to be removed in my opinion. It wasn't hurting anyone by being there. That being said, I can understand why Apple did remove it, because it doesn't make any business sense to enter a PR war over the relatively miniscule amount of profit they'd make from this app.

> "it doesn't make any business sense to enter a PR war over the relatively miniscule amount of profit they'd make from this app."

unless I'm mistaken, it was a free app (with no ads), so they made no money off of it.

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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How's this app any different from apps "curing" judaism or blackness? It isn't. It's pretty clear that nazism, racism, gaycism and other hateful applications shouldn't be allowed on the Apple App Store.

> "It's pretty clear that nazism, racism, gaycism and other hateful applications shouldn't be allowed on the Apple App Store."

Yes, exactly. I'm not sure if that above statement was an attempt at sarcasm, but it's completely true, they shouldn't be allowed.

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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So you're saying bye bye hypnotism apps too? And bye bye business books? I think the app is absurd, but I think the call for apple to censor it is wrong.

I guess fraud combined with the oppression of fellow humans is probably what pisses people off about this app.

Yeah, but doing something because it pisses you off instead of because it's right is the mentality of the lynch mob and the totalitarian gov't.

I think its crap we don't have gay marriage, I think Exodus is laughable and a bad idea, but I think the idea they should be censored even worse.

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Smoking is medically dangerous. Should Apple ban iSmokeit and other apps that facilitate smoking?

Smokers also know that smoking is dangerous. Banning apps like iSmokeit would be like imposing your morality on the rest of the world, even if there are well-behaved smokers out there that only smoke in their own private space. On the other hand apps that help you quit smoking are OK, since smoking IS bad for you in the long-run and dependency on smoking IS a treatable vice.

So, in other words, since everyone knows that smoking is bad for you, it's okay for pro-smoking apps to exist.

I understand why people were upset by the Gay-cure app, as people would be angry about an anti-vaccine app, or a pro-Nazi app.

I am not in favor of Apple's app store policy precisely because it encourages nanny-state morality on the flimsiest of moral grounds: profitability.

It reminds me of John Maynard Keynes' attributed quote: "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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I really don't know how good the "offensive to large groups of people" standard is. If there were a Qur'an app, might not a large group of (racist, xenophobic) people find the idea of a book dictated by an angel to be offensive? Fortunately, Apple is a corporation and need not concern itself with being as exactingly fair as the federal government.

Create some litmus test apps, then. Put up a "Christian Cure" and "Muslim Cure" app and see if they get taken down or rejected. It would be interesting to see the results.

"Straight Cure".

Re: Apple removes "Gay Cure" app from iTunes

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I guess fraud combined with the oppression of fellow humans is probably what pisses people off about this app.

Yeah, but doing something because it pisses you off instead of because it's right is the mentality of the lynch mob and the totalitarian gov't. I think its crap we don't have gay marriage, I think Exodus is laughable and a bad idea, but I think the idea they should be censored even worse.

This is a private business, not government. It isn't a lynch mob when someone decides not to do business with you. This isn't censorship.

When the government prohibits you from speaking, that's censorship.

When the New York Times decides to deliver some ideas over others, its not censorship. They own the printing press, they can use it for whatever they like.

The iOS platform has ads, crossword puzzles and a set of ideas. It has the same rights as anyone else to decide what its going to disseminate.

Freedom of the press rests on property rights, in this case the right to use your property to promote the values you choose.

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Yeah, but doing something because it pisses you off instead of because it's right is the mentality of the lynch mob and the totalitarian gov't. I think its crap we don't have gay marriage, I think Exodus is laughable and a bad idea, but I think the idea they should be censored even worse.

This is a private business, not government. It isn't a lynch mob when someone decides not to do business with you. This isn't censorship. When the government prohibits you from speaking, that's censorship. When the New York Times decides to deliver some ideas over others, its not censorship. They own the printing press, they can use it for whatever they like. The iOS platform has ads, crossword puzzles and a set of i…

Entities other than governments can censor. Government censorship is the worse type, but others are also bad.

It's completely the mentality of a lynch mob when you say "go get em boys, they did something we dislike" without stopping to say "Wait, should what they do be allowed? Could banning this have repercussions for other cases? Do I have the full story or just a filtered side of it".

The lynch mob is about the attempted boycott and press pressuring the press to pressure Apple to censor the app.

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