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My family saw a police car hit a kid, then I learned how NYPD impunity works

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Post by randompwd »

thephyber wrote: post #366
randompwd wrote: post #350

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Yes well done. How do you think police determine if they're in limit or not. They test them. She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.

> but chose to act like an idiot Do people choose to have panic attacks? There are lots of documented cases of people who have panic attacks on planes and flip out. Are they "idiots" in your mind?

How is she having a panic attack? How is anything about her behaviour that night congruous to a panic attack? Seems like you're just writing an alternative narrative to explain away her behaviour.

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Post by sudosysgen »

greenhatglack wrote: post #86
fileeditview wrote: post #36

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It's sure worth handing guns to everyone for defense. If everyone is armed that really makes the world a safer place. How else could you e.g shoot somebody to defend your parking spot? /s But seriously.. do you have been to Europe? You need to visit some very extreme areas to be in real danger. What you describe is pure hyperbole.

Most working class in Europe live in "extreme" areas also "not-wanted-to-be-officially-known-as-no-go" zones. Lol, I love how you question if I've live/d there, like the complete inability to take in information that might not be fit to your world view.

There is not a single place in Europe that comes even close to the danger of Detroit or Chicago or New York.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway_jobs wrote: post #188
lukewrites wrote: post #162

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Do you have data points to disprove it? I'm not aware of any data on how often police engage in physical altercations with civilians. One of the points the article makes is that the NYPD actively misrepresents such altercations that could cast the department in a bad light. Stop and frisk policies amount to codifying assault, in my opinion.

As to murder: White Murder victims: 3,499 (2,854 of the victims were killed by other whites) Black murder victims: 2,870 (2,570 of the victims were killed by other blacks) 2019 police killings by race: White deceased: 370 Black deceased: 235

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Post by btbuildem »

zw123456 wrote: post #175

I had an incident happen to me where I was stuck in traffic in the left most lane on the freeway next to the diamond (HOV) lane. So the HOV was on my left and was wide open and all the other lanes were completely stopped, or stop and go. A state police officer had people pulled over just ahead of me for HOV violations. A car that was exactly the same model and color as mine was flying down the HOV and pulled in two c…

It's real shame they didn't hit the cop instead and solved everyone's problem right there and then

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

randompwd wrote: post #350
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #346

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>Bear in mind she was stopped because the car she was in had (illegally) tinted front windows. From the article linked in the parent's post: "Court documents later established they were within the legal limit." There was no need for the police to use violent force against this terrified woman, but they did it anyway.

Yes well done. How do you think police determine if they're in limit or not. They test them. She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.

> She could have been on her way in 5 minutes but chose to act like an idiot.

From the cam video I've seen she was clearly frightened of them. They could have chosen to use empathy instead of force.

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Post by FireBeyond »

jeffdavis wrote: post #328
Kluny wrote: post #304

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How confident are you that your numbers are accurate, given that police self-report their numbers? For instance, I've been reading lately that black men have been found hanging from trees by nooses in California recently, and that the deaths were ruled suicide. Do you believe that these deaths were suicide?

I have quite a bit of faith in numbers related to deaths. There is a lot of paperwork involved, a body (with bullet holes), perhaps a 911 call, often a medical examiner or coroner's report, potentially lawsuits, funerals, etc. And now there are cameras a lot of places. I guess there could be outright premeditated cold-blooded murders that are disguised as suicides, but I can't imagine that's very common. I mean, you…

> I mean, you can't bring a body in with a zillion bullet holes and tell the coroner it was suicide.

But you can bring in a body that was in the backseat of your cop car, handcuffed behind the back, and with two shotgun wounds to the chest and tell the coroner it was suicide, and have it signed off on...

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Post by jakelazaroff »

treis wrote: post #363
jakelazaroff wrote: post #325

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Not sure what "walking catalogue of locally available illicit substances" is a reference to, as that describes none of the recent police murders AFAIK. Also FYI, in the case of Rayshard Brooks (the victim who took the officer's Taser), the District Attorney said that the Taser "had already been fired twice and was thus empty and no longer a threat". https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-atlanta-ra...

That's misleading to the point of lying. The "already" here means the split second between Brooks firing it at the officer and the officer shooting him.

Split second? The officer hadn't even drawn his gun when Brooks fired the Taser. He made the decision to draw his gun in the first place already knowing that the Taser Brooks held was depleted.

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Post by dragonwriter »

[deleted] wrote: post #383
throwaway_jobs wrote: post #188

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As to murder: White Murder victims: 3,499 (2,854 of the victims were killed by other whites) Black murder victims: 2,870 (2,570 of the victims were killed by other blacks) 2019 police killings by race: White deceased: 370 Black deceased: 235

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> Few people ever speak of the 150[1] officers killed on average per year in the line of duty.

If by “few people” you mean basically everyone, and every business, and every government everytime it happens, often with massive public memorial parades, etc., sure.

No one talks about lack of accountability for it because there is decidedly not such a lack of accountability, but people talk about the thing itself all the time.

Incidentally, abolishing the police also addresses that problem.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

sixothree wrote: post #362
asjw wrote: post #306

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Not to disagree with the post in general, but at a thousand/year shot and killed by the police in US, they probably are one of the most dangerous threat For comparison in Italy in 2019 there have been 3 people killed by the police, and people have - rightfully IMO - complained every single time. In US more than 1k (1040 to be precise) died shot by cops If we compare the population, there should have been at least 180…

Wait. Do we have actual numbers of police shootings? Aren't these things self-reported and under-reported?

I feel like they probably always report them but lie about the circumstances and say the shooting was justified.

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Post by thephyber »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #316
pjc50 wrote: post #22

> “I blame myself,” she kept saying. “I never let him out on Halloween. A bunch of Black boys together. I shouldn’t have let him out. But he begged me.” Notice that while average white parents might worry about criminals before letting their kids out on the street, the black parents worry (with good reason) about the police. (Just to spell it out: this is why so many BLM activists feel comfortable saying "abolish the…

Coming from a poor (and incidentally very white) area myself, I understand the sentiment behind 'defund the police', but being comfortably middle class now, I also recognize it's something of a nonstarter with people who don't have that experience. I prefer 'Police Out Of Poor Neighborhoods'. Police actually add value in rich neighborhoods (maybe by definition), and it's got a humorous acronym. Edit: And police are m…

> but being comfortably middle class now, I also recognize it's something of a nonstarter with people who don't have that experience.

I think this is one of the two culture clashes happening with police versus civilians right now.

After the protests in the wake of the Michael Brown killing, there were articles written[1][2] about how there are a ton (many dozens) of tiny towns around Saint Louis each only a few city blocks large that prey on their citizens like parasites. Middle class people have largely moved out of these towns so they avoid this problem.

I don't think "defund the police" is a particularly good slogan and this is likely the reason other comfortably middle class families are likely to reject that calling.

But I also think that those who are comfortably middle class and ignoring the very real struggles of the lower class at the hands of the police and their governments have a duty to help lift their fellow Americans up and at least learn about the problems they face, if not do something about them. If we don't, we are no better than the pre Civil War city dwellers of the North comfortably ignoring the plight of the slaves and the indentured servants in the agrarian south.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2014/08/25/343143937/in-ferguson-court-f...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/0...

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