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Re: The End of OS X

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Post by HatchedLake721 » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

pumanoir wrote: post #24

stouset wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you're being downvoted because this is an empty, meaningless comment without some elaboration on why you've decided this. As it stands, there's no room for discussion: the only paths forward are for others to simply agree or disagree, or to try their best to guess at what your concerns are in order to further the conversation.

The comment states the why clearly when read within the context of the article: "I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a customer any more"

Did we miss a memo where Apple suddenly changed their target demographic and corporate goals?

I don't think they did.

The comment seems like an emotional nostalgic conclusion they have after watching the WWDC, without any mentions why they think future will be worse than what we have now or what we had in the past.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #37

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The move towards "iOSing" the OS. It won't be GateKeeper. It will be policies. They won't make it obvious at all, because they know how unpopular it will be. Let's see what the future brings. I'm not thrilled with it (for example, I have one app that I've written, that uses ffmpeg[0], and ffmpeg no likee sandbox). [0] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_MediaServer

But once again, the only "iOS-ing" that has happened so far is the theme. Yes, the theme looks more iOS-like, but that's about it. There are almost no technical differences whatsoever underneath since Catalina and almost no security changes.

I know Apple fairly well. They have...control issues. They want as much control as they can get, over every aspect of the experience.

It can get stifling, but I actually support it, and it's one of the reasons that I have always had faith in the company.

The HIG (Human Interface Group) used to be nicknamed "The Blue Meanies" in the 1980s.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by xinsight » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #28

meddlepal wrote: post #20

OS X was a marketing name and was dead for a while now. Besides the CPU arch change and a slightly refined UI it is pretty much the same.

Homebrew packages work fine, you can still disable SIP, Gatekeeper hasn't gotten tighter. Everything is almost exactly the same as Catalina. There's really no substance whatsoever to the claims that MacOS 11 is locking the OS down. You could make this claim for Catalina, but Big Sur isn't changing anything of consequence at all.

Maybe people are only just now starting to see Apple's intentions of locking down their system. I remember it being a bad omen a few releases back when i found i could no longer (easily) delete the Chess.app.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by timw4mail » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

amatecha wrote: post #11

Wow, I totally missed that version number in the About box. Very interesting! I guess 10.16 will be the last version of "OS X" as we knew it (even though it was already called macOS). The end of an era, indeed.

10.15, you mean?

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

amatecha wrote: post #31

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can confirm this is false. I have MacOS Big Sur on my MacBook Pro 2017, and it identifies as 11.0.

What does it say if you run: sw_vers -productVersion

10.16.

However, it is clear that Apple wants to move everything to 11. Xcode also says 10.16, but Apple Developer Docs say 11. My suspicion is just that the developers of Xcode and other parts of the OS weren't aware of the switch yet.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by hn_check » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #29

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I suspect that non-App Store apps for the Mac may be seeing the twilight." What about MacOS 11 makes you think this? Literally almost nothing of consequence has changed since Catalina in OS security. Gatekeeper hasn't gotten tighter, you can still disable SIP, homebrew works great.

The move towards "iOSing" the OS. It won't be GateKeeper. It will be policies. They won't make it obvious at all, because they know how unpopular it will be. Let's see what the future brings. I'm not thrilled with it (for example, I have one app that I've written, that uses ffmpeg[0], and ffmpeg no likee sandbox). [0] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_MediaServer

"The move towards "iOSing" the OS."

People have been claiming this for literally a decade+ now. The death of macOS is perpetually imminent.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by perardi » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:45 PM UTC

gjvc wrote: post #13

Snow Leopard (version 10.6) was the peak of OS X. Everything since then has been downhill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Snow_Leopard

I would not go that far. Security changes. iOS integration with AirDrop and Messages. Laptop trackpad gestures.

But note what I'm highlighting for the most part: mobile features. They've added good stuff for laptops, and for interfacing with iOS devices. But for desktops, and laptops living on a desk? Not so much. If you're using a full keyboard and a mouse, sans trackpad, I can't think of a lot of real UI enhancements since 10.6.

(Which makes total since, given they sell so, so many more laptops than desktops. But still. I get it.)

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by amatecha » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:46 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #45

amatecha wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it say if you run: sw_vers -productVersion

10.16. However, it is clear that Apple wants to move everything to 11. Xcode also says 10.16, but Apple Developer Docs say 11. My suspicion is just that the developers of Xcode and other parts of the OS weren't aware of the switch yet.

Ahh interesting! Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. It's 10.16 now, but I wouldn't be surprised if all of those version numbers will be updated to say 11.0 upon the final production release.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by graeme » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

pumanoir wrote: post #24

stouset wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you're being downvoted because this is an empty, meaningless comment without some elaboration on why you've decided this. As it stands, there's no room for discussion: the only paths forward are for others to simply agree or disagree, or to try their best to guess at what your concerns are in order to further the conversation.

The comment states the why clearly when read within the context of the article: "I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a customer any more"

That statement is still basically meaningless. It’s a conclusion, not reasoning.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY » Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

hn_check wrote: post #46

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The move towards "iOSing" the OS. It won't be GateKeeper. It will be policies. They won't make it obvious at all, because they know how unpopular it will be. Let's see what the future brings. I'm not thrilled with it (for example, I have one app that I've written, that uses ffmpeg[0], and ffmpeg no likee sandbox). [0] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_MediaServer

"The move towards "iOSing" the OS." People have been claiming this for literally a decade+ now. The death of macOS is perpetually imminent.

> The death of macOS is perpetually imminent.

The same for PowerPC processors, Intel processsors, and now ARM processors.

Remember when the first rumors of Apple switching to ARM surfaced? I think it was about five years ago.

To be fair, Apple has been on its "deathbed" a hundred times, in the last three decades. I have been programming Apple since 1986. I have seen quite a bit.