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The End of OS X

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Re: The End of OS X

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #17

> what the company perceives as a weakness: the paucity of apps in the Mac App Store. I think that the issue with the Mac App store, is that it imposes restrictions on a once-free-for-all development environment. I know many app developers that have abandoned it, after giving it a damn fair shake. Mac developers just got used to being able to wander all over the house, poking their noses into whatever they liked. iOS…

"I suspect that non-App Store apps for the Mac may be seeing the twilight."

What about MacOS 11 makes you think this? Literally almost nothing of consequence has changed since Catalina in OS security. Gatekeeper hasn't gotten tighter, you can still disable SIP, homebrew works great.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by amatecha »

drunkpotato wrote: post #5

I know this is about the coming MacOS 11.0, but Catalina was the end of OS X for me, and the end of Macs in general for me. I will not be migrating from Mojave to Catalina, and will use my current generation of Macs until they are obsolete, while finally making the transition to Linux. Mac and I had a good run, but I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a cu…

I mean, I'm still on Yosemite, and I didn't even want to "upgrade" to that (but had to, to use the iPhone 8 I bought). I would rather have stuck with Mavericks. Every new macOS update seems to bring new freedom-limiting changes which I fundamentally disagree with, and it's getting harder and harder to justify using such a closed platform...

Stratechery's mention of what hackers/programmers move to as being an indicator of what's next is interesting, as currently it feels like these types of people are largely moving to more open platforms. I see it all over my social networks where super talented engineers are embracing not only open software, but open hardware, too... We shall see, I guess.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by pron »

fierarul wrote: post #9

I know that Java is not hip nowadays (was it ever?) but at some point Jobs bragged Macs are the best Java workstations. Clearly Apple not only does not care about Java but hates it. macOS Catalina is also pretty scary. So, I am enthusiastically waiting on getting a new laptop with the Ryzen 4800 CPU to run Linux on. I do some Java tooling projects and I will just use the existing Mac gear to support them, for a while…

Apple is a huge Java shop. They're quite secretive but a very large portion (the great majority?) of their backend is Java.

OpenJDK has a Linux/AArch64 port, and it will have a macOS/AArch64 port, too.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by pumanoir »

stouset wrote: post #8
drunkpotato wrote: post #5

I know this is about the coming MacOS 11.0, but Catalina was the end of OS X for me, and the end of Macs in general for me. I will not be migrating from Mojave to Catalina, and will use my current generation of Macs until they are obsolete, while finally making the transition to Linux. Mac and I had a good run, but I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a cu…

I suspect you're being downvoted because this is an empty, meaningless comment without some elaboration on why you've decided this. As it stands, there's no room for discussion: the only paths forward are for others to simply agree or disagree, or to try their best to guess at what your concerns are in order to further the conversation.

The comment states the why clearly when read within the context of the article: "I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a customer any more"

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by k__ »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #17

> what the company perceives as a weakness: the paucity of apps in the Mac App Store. I think that the issue with the Mac App store, is that it imposes restrictions on a once-free-for-all development environment. I know many app developers that have abandoned it, after giving it a damn fair shake. Mac developers just got used to being able to wander all over the house, poking their noses into whatever they liked. iOS…

Isn't it more the web model?

I mean, the web is older, it's locked down, and browsers get more and more features.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by xenonite »

drunkpotato wrote: post #5

I know this is about the coming MacOS 11.0, but Catalina was the end of OS X for me, and the end of Macs in general for me. I will not be migrating from Mojave to Catalina, and will use my current generation of Macs until they are obsolete, while finally making the transition to Linux. Mac and I had a good run, but I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a cu…

Same here. Although it will be 10.13 for me, which is the last version with a good subpixel hinting. The best possible font display is of utmost importance to me, and retina+subpixel rendering is optimal for now. I know that it is possible to re-enable it in 10.14, but it works only so-so. And with 10.15 its certainly gone.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by icedchai »

drunkpotato wrote: post #5

I know this is about the coming MacOS 11.0, but Catalina was the end of OS X for me, and the end of Macs in general for me. I will not be migrating from Mojave to Catalina, and will use my current generation of Macs until they are obsolete, while finally making the transition to Linux. Mac and I had a good run, but I'm clearly no longer the target demographic and their corporate goals aren't aligned with mine as a cu…

I was bothered that they removed 32-bit support, so my desktop is still on Mojave. I suppose I can understand it. With the ARM transition, it certainly makes things simpler.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

meddlepal wrote: post #20

OS X was a marketing name and was dead for a while now. Besides the CPU arch change and a slightly refined UI it is pretty much the same.

Homebrew packages work fine, you can still disable SIP, Gatekeeper hasn't gotten tighter. Everything is almost exactly the same as Catalina. There's really no substance whatsoever to the claims that MacOS 11 is locking the OS down. You could make this claim for Catalina, but Big Sur isn't changing anything of consequence at all.

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #17

> what the company perceives as a weakness: the paucity of apps in the Mac App Store. I think that the issue with the Mac App store, is that it imposes restrictions on a once-free-for-all development environment. I know many app developers that have abandoned it, after giving it a damn fair shake. Mac developers just got used to being able to wander all over the house, poking their noses into whatever they liked. iOS…

"I suspect that non-App Store apps for the Mac may be seeing the twilight." What about MacOS 11 makes you think this? Literally almost nothing of consequence has changed since Catalina in OS security. Gatekeeper hasn't gotten tighter, you can still disable SIP, homebrew works great.

The move towards "iOSing" the OS.

It won't be GateKeeper. It will be policies. They won't make it obvious at all, because they know how unpopular it will be.

Let's see what the future brings. I'm not thrilled with it (for example, I have one app that I've written, that uses ffmpeg[0], and ffmpeg no likee sandbox).

[0] https://github.com/RiftValleySoftware/RVS_MediaServer

Re: The End of OS X

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Post by k__ »

crmrc114 wrote: post #15

That family tree is wrong, right? 1. Unix was first, then BSD came from Unix... then Mach was built quite a bit later. 2. NextStep was then built by jobs after he was let go from apple by Mr. Soda man. 3. Jobs comes back to apple, brings NextStep- reads the tea leaves with OS7-9 and sets up NextStep as the successor with OSX. Apple branded NextStep becomes OSX. Is my chronology correct?

I think so.

OSX was bought, NT was bought, Android was bought.

Which big OS vendor build their own OS? Maybe Google with Fuchsia?

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