I for one am ecstatic about this. I want less competition for my role, not more. It is hard to compete when the top 5% of every other economy comes in and crowds me out.
Have you considered being better at your job?
Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
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Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#102While Andrew Ng is devastated that an H1B worker and their family has to pack their bags and return to their home country, one American worker will have the opportunity to enter the job market and feed his/her family. EDIT: Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a situation where many engineers on HN are H1B workers themselves or start-up owners/affiliates who benefit and profit off of H1B workers so it's obvious that I…
yeah no. that’s not how life works. we like to believe that we are all equal and interchangeable but the reality is that if you’re comparing the quality of people that come in on an H1B in tech with the average joe in the US you’re going to have a brutal awakening. most people that have the skills have a job.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#103Most of the stuff Trump has done in the name of "America first" has restricted economic freedom for Americans. Tariffs make it more costly for American importers to do business, and restrictions on immigrations deprive American firms of the freedom to hire the most qualified candidate.
It is incredibly ironic that anyone views these moves to restrict freedom as beneficial to "America". They simply create small advantages for some at the expense of everyone else.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-... "For almost three decades, Jared Taylor has been publishing his ideas about race at the American Renaissance magazine and now at a website called AmRen, which is considered a mouthpiece for white supremacist ideology. ... The website is not well-known outside white nationalist circles — but it found an audience in White House adviser Stephen Miller."
This has no sources other than the SPLC's analysis of some leaked emails and selective quotations from them [1]. The SPLC has further examinations as well [2].
Look at the out-of-context quotes given in the first link and decide for yourself whether this is enough to justify a charge of being a white supremecist, even given that the article is explicitly dedicated to working towards that conclusion. Don't just take their word for it. I'll gladly concede that Miller is anti-immigration to the point of being xenophobic, but white supremecist is a huge stretch.
[1] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille...
[2] https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Stephen Miller is a white supremacist now? He must be hiding it pretty well, since I've heard through hundreds of hours of his podcast with Raheem Kasam and he has never said anything remotely racist.
Last time I checked there is quite a lot of evidence pointing to him being a white supremacist: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen...
Thanks for the link, I confused him with the chief strategist of trump campaign Jason Miller.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of the big tech cos hiring H1Bs are doing so below market salary; they in fact have substantial bonuses attached to these hires. H1Bs aren't stupid are they're not exactly desperate for work opportunities either.
Pretty sure this is demonstrably false. There are large spreadsheets out there documenting H1B wages at FAANG type companies and they are almost universally less than the equivalent US Citizen wages.
Those self-reporting spreadsheets aren't worth the paper they're not printed on.
FAANG companies are not hiring H1-B's because it's cheaper. I have been a hiring manager at a couple of FAANG companies, and I can tell you it's just not something we cared about.
The only thing I cared about was finding the most qualified people for the team. I had headcount to fill, and it wasn't like that headcount had one salary band marked "For Citizens" and another marked "For H1-Bs". The compensation systems at FAANGs are for the most part formulaic.
If FAANG want cheap engineering labor they outsource and use contractors, simple as. And it's those companies - the Infosys and Wipros of the world - that are arguably are the biggest abusers of H1-B.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#107H1B is terrible for the employees, and for those who work alongside them. Companies try to slow down green cards, and use H1Bs as virtual indentured servants. They also fake looking for Americans- in practice, many of the jobs are earmarked for a specific person, and you are wasting your time applying for it. Losing your job as an h1b requires you to leave almost immediately, which isn't great for anyone. Hopefully t…
> without chaining it to a specific company
This affects everyone who works with H1B employees. As others have noted it puts them in a very unfair side of the negotiations on employment (as in you don't get a voice).
If your residency is hinged on your job, then it's you vs everyone else there. This drives unnatural competition between teams and coworkers under the same manager. It's bad for work relations. It leads people to be bad actors and make immoral judgements.
H1B needs serious reform to give people an actual voice at the table.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#108H1B = Modern day slavery It has all the same characteristics. Large corps 'sponsor' a worker; smaller ones can't. The slave worker gets to enjoy a somewhat better life under their master but can't run when their master is a viscous slave driver. If the slave wins the green card lottery or comes into a lot of money, they can eventually get freedom.
that’s just wrong. look up AC21. you can switch jobs on H1B. for an employer it’s easier to do the paperwork for this vs a full-blown H1B.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#109While Andrew Ng is devastated that an H1B worker and their family has to pack their bags and return to their home country, one American worker will have the opportunity to enter the job market and feed his/her family. EDIT: Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a situation where many engineers on HN are H1B workers themselves or start-up owners/affiliates who benefit and profit off of H1B workers so it's obvious that I…
The lump of labour fallacy is just that, a fallacy.
Yes, in a vacuum. It ignores the fact that at a given point of time, there are only a limited number of jobs in the market.
Re: Andrew Ng: The suspension of H1B is bad for the US and bad for innovation
#110The largest H1-B visa sponsors are Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and Deloitte. None of those scream "innovation" to me. The system absolutely needs reform, and I think most people can agree with that. But that said, blanket bans on immigration by the white supremacists and nationalists currently running our government and deciding our immigration are probably not designed to help America or innovation either. The…
This CNBC article says Amazon was the largest sponsor of H1B in 2019
> Amazon, which received more H-1B visas than any other company in 2019, described the move as “short-sighted” in a statement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/google-amazon-tesla-trump-im...