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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by ksec »

GeekyBear wrote: post #203
cytzol wrote: post #52

I was really hoping they'd take some time to address Catalina's glaring issues — its slowness, bugginess, just general sloppiness — and instead they did the opposite. Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. The infamous keyboards that they doubled-down and then tripled-down upon (I have personally had five keyboard replacements). The way Catalina send…

>Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. Compared to what OS? The latest Windows 10 update buggers up Storage Spaces and printing, hard on the heels of another Windows 10 Update that deleted the user's files.

That is what I have been saying about the Mac.

It isn't the Mac is so good, it is the alternative is downright awful. From Design, UX, to even technical.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by ksec »

AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

> iOSification

Those square icons really got on my nerve for some strange reason. The previous design at least I know I am using a Mac.

Now I felt like I am using a glorified iOS. It feels more like iPadOS being ported to Mac.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by ksec »

QuixoticQuibit wrote: post #179
AnonC wrote: post #34

The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Yeah, the design is far too “bubbly” and “floaty” and really doesn’t fit what I’d want out of a desktop environment.

Yes, but I am giving them some benefits of the doubt as it is not in Dark Mode. Hoping it would like a little better in it.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by tricaole »

thrusong wrote: post #156
jbverschoor wrote: post #101

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Yeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.

I got Windows Vista vibes from Big Sur's UI as I was scrolling through this terrible website. Performance was horrible in Firefox on a MacBook Air (mid-2012), which has been dropped from support for this latest macOS.

I came here by searching "Big Sur vs. Windows Vista"

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by tricaole »

thrusong wrote: post #156
jbverschoor wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.

I got Windows Vista vibes from Big Sur's UI as I was scrolling through this terrible website. Performance was horrible in Firefox on a MacBook Air (mid-2012), which has been dropped from support for this latest macOS.

I cam here after searching for "Big Sur vs Windows Vista" :)

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by toyg »

sigjuice wrote: post #93
toyg wrote: post #54

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What was "silent" about it? They made a big song & dance of dropping the X last year. This just makes it even more official.

The X was dropped in 2016, with macOS Sierra. Maybe because they needed the X next year for the iPhone.

Man, after turning 35 and having kids, all years just blend into one ;)

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by bitcharmer »

ironmagma wrote: post #360
jki275 wrote: post #261

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Uncommon? Yes. Very few people run Linux as a their primary OS.

Not sure why this is downvoted, it’s objective truth. I’ll go one farther though and say that Linux sucks, and in fact we must admit that if we want it to ever be good. It requires constant investment by the community to remain competitive with the other big players, who are constantly reshaping and making advances we need to keep up with. This is spoken as a desktop Linux user.

Out of curiosity; if Linux sucks, why do you still choose it over other systems?

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by philjohn »

fphhotchips wrote: post #296
philjohn wrote: post #216

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I know this answer is "buy something else to make your life eaiser" but hear me out - either a USB-C monitor, or a thunderbolt dock. I got a USB-C monitor last time I upgraded (LG 27" 4K) and having a single cable to plug in, which not only carries the display signal, but also charges my MBP, AND carries the USB signal so that I can plug wired keyboard and anything else into the hub in the monitor still feels ridicul…

Yeah, sure, but at least on my Macbook Pro 16, Thunderbolt/USB-C monitors both instantly make the area near the touch bar hot enough so as to be uncomfortable to the touch. If you're sharing a screen via video conference, you can easily hit 90c, with the CPU throttling hard the whole time.

That's because the second you plug an external monitor in (at all) it switches off the iGPU and spins up the dGPU on the old 15" and new 16" ... what you're feeling is the dGPU pumping out heat.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by jki275 »

bitcharmer wrote: post #367
ironmagma wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is downvoted, it’s objective truth. I’ll go one farther though and say that Linux sucks, and in fact we must admit that if we want it to ever be good. It requires constant investment by the community to remain competitive with the other big players, who are constantly reshaping and making advances we need to keep up with. This is spoken as a desktop Linux user.

Out of curiosity; if Linux sucks, why do you still choose it over other systems?

Why would that surprise you, given the comment? The desire is to make it better, using it in spite of its issues is a way to do that. More users = more inertia to make it better, more resources for reporting issues, etc.

I personally use Linux all the time, but not on the desktop because it's just bad enough that I can't stand it (It's really not Linux, it's X and all its associated crap). I won't criticize those who do because they want a better OS though, that's a good thing.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Post by psychometry »

josephcsible wrote: post #208
psychometry wrote: post #154

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Um, your computer was designed EIGHT years ago. Upgrade if you care about getting all of the new toys.

Why shouldn't old-but-capable hardware be able to run new software?

Because it costs even more time and money to add another hardware stack to all of the testing that needs to be done for the new OS. Apple apparently thinks that the population of people who want to install a brand-new OS on an eight-year-old Mac Mini is not worth that time and money. They're probably right.
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