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What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines
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#132I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…
>It seems like people think that because they're taking design cues from iOS they intend to lock it down like iOS and they're transferring that fear into dislike of the new UI itself. This has been the fear for the last 10 or so years, maybe longer. It hasn't strictly happened yet. Maybe someday, but this definitely isn't it.
It just wouldn't make a shred of sense. iPads have real keyboards now. A crippled macOS wouldn't have a purpose in today's world. It would make more sense to drop the category entirely than to dumb it down, and if they made anything clear today it was that the Mac is here to stay.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.
What's wrong with xfce?
Well it’s close but still not as good as Win2k was.
Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines
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I like borders on my buttons to know what is a button and what isn't, this feels.. backwards... So much has to be inferred from the way things used to be, makes it harder to argue that it's the "simpler" operating system designed for Humans with a keen eye on UX design.. FWIW I also think the flat UI on iPhone (which has been prevelant for >6y now) is a horror show. Steve Jobs famously once said (while working at NeX…
I remember the transition from iOS 6 to 7. It definitely initially looked modern but I still sometimes have difficulty distinguishing between a label and a button.
Another common issue is the lack of scroll bars or other UI hints like shadows means it's often impossible to know when/if you can scroll.
Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines
#135For the last few versions of iOS, MacOS has felt somewhat old-fashioned, lacking things I've grown to really appreciate on my phone and iPad like the Control Center. I'm glad that is now coming to MacOS. This feels like a much-needed facelift.
I'm glad is isn't a polished XFCE, there are a lot of options for people who like this sort of thing already, just run Linux. In its current state, Linux on the desktop is definitely not for me, but then, I like the touchbar (as a software engineer, even), I like their new keyboard better than the pre-USB-C one (the butterfly one was terrible though), I'm fine with four TB3/USB-C ports, I don't miss MagSafe much. I like not having to bother with a myriad settings, because the defaults are usually just fine and most things can't be fine-tuned anyway.
Big Sur seems to be a really interesting spin on a desktop iOS that embraces and extends the security and UX concepts from iOS, but for keyboard/mouse and without being so locked-down and constrained. From what they've shown so far, I like it.
Now please have iPadOS become more like MacOS – that would be terriffic.
Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines
#136I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…
Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.
> Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience.
.... Yeah, that's pretty much true, and for very good reason. Every time an interface changes, it forces people to stop using the system and figure out the new interface. As such, while it is possible to make changes that are beneficial enough to justify the cost, UI changes are very expensive and you'd better have a very good reason to justify breaking everyone's workflow. And by that standard, yes; XFCE is nearly perfect. It's been on the 4.x series since 2003, and going by screenshots I strongly suspect that even a user from XFCE 3.x would find the very latest version to be a drop-in replacement. And it does have decent quality, which combined with its general "get out of the way and let me work" vibe and 20 years of continuity makes it easily one of the best options available.
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I am mostly upset about the low contrast. I hope that gets improved before release. And sad about the change in sheets and alerts... I’ll probably get over that.
This is a bit off topic but in regards to contrast, I’ve been using Apple’s Music program lately and I absolutely cannot tell the difference between shuffle/repeat on or off. It is the lowest amount of contrast I have ever seen on a toggled button. I figure it must be something with my machine but haven’t really delved too deeply and couldn’t find much when I looked. Was hoping for a bit more out of Music. It’s decen…
I don't think it's your machine, although I hadn't tested this until now because I almost never use shuffle. :)
I think the problem is that they're indicating state by toggling between your chosen accent color and black. If your accent color is, say, pink, the difference is pretty obvious, but if your accent color is relatively dark, like blue or purple, it's harder to see. It seems like they could solve this by toggling between the accent color and gray, or "lighting up" a solid roundrect of the accent color around the control when it's on.
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The proxy icon is still there, it seems you have to hover or click to show it though.
So discoverability is finally replaced by the "Ahhh" paradigm?
That's been the trend for a while, but in the case of the proxy icon, the types of interactions you could perform with it were mostly undiscoverable and unknown to a lot of users. You had to actively explore the way the UI worked to figure it out, but I can't say I'm a fan of the change either.
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I disagree, I don't think they're anywhere near locking down to the iOS level. Could you explain some of these incremental lock downs? I honestly can't think of any that are genuine restrictions, but that might just be because I don't encounter them with what I do.
How about the non-modifiable hidden system partition? Inability to create directories under / That alone has stopped me moving my Macs to the latest OS after testing.
Turn off System Integrity Protection. Not a good idea but it will let you make unnecessary changes to /.
Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.
> Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. .... Yeah, that's pretty much true, and for very good reason. Every time an interface changes, it forces people to stop using the system and figure out the new interface. As such, while it is possible to make changes that are beneficial enough to…
It doesn't look like macOS 11's new UI is going to need macOS 10 users to "stop and figure out" the interface in the way switching from macOS 10 to Xfce (or vice-versa) would. The buttons aren't all moving around to strange places. The functionality isn't materially changing. What they're changing is the design language, not the fundamental UX.