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What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by thought_alarm »

dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

I won't know until I actually use it, but based on looks alone I think it's the cleanest and most cohesive Mac UI since the peak Aqua era (OS X 10.4-10.6).

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by 1_player »

Macha wrote: post #19

The integration of tall title bars with toolbars is really reminding me of Gnome 3 here.

I'd pay for a well engineered macOS 11 theme for GNOME. Perhaps when GTK4 is out end of this year with support for blurred transparency shaders. Though I got to say Adwaita improved a lot recently.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by sapsan »

jefftk wrote: post #52
IMTDb wrote: post #47

> But what should we call it ? Well, if you're a student of MacOS, you know this question can only be answered by Apple crack marketing team. Their drug fueled minibus driven quests have yielded some great names. [...] We can’t responsibly continue to inadvertently lead our competition to copy these methods when they clearly can’t handle the trip Was that guy actually on acid when he introduced the name ? This was so…

That text seems not to be there now?

I think the quote is from the keynote itself. Here's the timestamp: https://youtu.be/GEZhD3J89ZE?t=4250.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by dimmke »

mxcrossb wrote: post #46
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

I agree, any change will be frowned upon. It just annoys me that I feel like they're drawing the completely wrong conclusions.

Apple was the company that dropped the headphone jack from their phone, shipped a laptop with only USB-C ports etc... they don't shy away from making big controversial decisions if they feel like it's good for them.

If Apple was going to do this to MacOS, they'd have already done it. They wouldn't be spending years tip toeing towards it like people seem to think.

Instead, they've rolled back some really unpopular changes like the crappy keyboard in their laptop, they just shipped a new Mac Pro that is clearly designed for professionals. This chip transition will result in Apple's laptops having better battery life, specs and heating than any other laptops available on the market. It won't even be close.

Additionally, they're actively trying to bring a huge swath of developers who currently only develop for their mobile devices into developing for the Mac. If they were trying to turn Macs into something for college students to watch Netflix on they wouldn't be doing any of this.

It's insane to me that people can see a UI refresh as a sign of doom while ignoring that Apple has actually been investing in the platform quite a bit more than they were a few years ago.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by jayd16 »

dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

>I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs.

Why not? I think its a distinct possibility.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by WillPostForFood »

jacurtis wrote: post #32
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

I agree completely. The only real gripe I feel is that excessive padding. It is sort of like scrolling through Dribbble app mockups. The layouts look amazing as a mockup, but when you actually go to make or use the app it isn't as practical as you want. On a desktop, with a mouse, I have near-perfect precision. I don't need overly-padded icons and windows because I have the precision of a mouse. The extra padding jus…

Might be good for laptops with a touchpad though. I don't know the sales split, but I assume Apple sells many more laptops than desktops.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by ceocoder »

mxcrossb wrote: post #46
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

> Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

that statement seems perhaps too harsh to both HN crowd and Apple's core fan base, I spend more time on HN than I care to admit and I can assure you that I do not like XFCE desktop experience at all, my desktop is running Debian 10 with Cinnamon on it, but UX is not something that I'd ever list as one of top 5 features of this setup. Similarly I've been using Apple laptops for about 14 years now and do consider myself a part of "core fan base", for the record I hate the butterfly keyboard, despise touchbar with a passion, and am utterly disgusted by the decision to remove MagSafe chargers.

To quote great Dr Tobias Funke - there are dozens of us.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by rahkiin »

dimmke wrote: post #65
mxcrossb wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that and the fact that tech website users basically complain about every UI change. Hacker News is full of people who think XFCE is the height of desktop experience. This is fundamentally different than apple’s core fan base who seem to like any change just for the sake of change.

I agree, any change will be frowned upon. It just annoys me that I feel like they're drawing the completely wrong conclusions. Apple was the company that dropped the headphone jack from their phone, shipped a laptop with only USB-C ports etc... they don't shy away from making big controversial decisions if they feel like it's good for them. If Apple was going to do this to MacOS, they'd have already done it. They wou…

I am mostly upset about the low contrast. I hope that gets improved before release.

And sad about the change in sheets and alerts... I’ll probably get over that.

Re: What’s New in macOS Big Sur: Human Interface Guidelines

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Post by dimmke »

jayd16 wrote: post #66
dimmke wrote: post #18

I have to be honest and go completely against the crowd here - but I think the UI updates are very good. They make the two OSes look cohesive but in a tasteful way. The extra padding in all of the UI is the only thing that I chafe at a little bit, it feels unnecessary. I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. So I'm not sure what there is to get upset about. I don't see any big functional chan…

>I really don't think they're going to put out touch screen Macs. Why not? I think its a distinct possibility.

If they were going to do this, they would have done it when they needed a big new feature and instead they put out the touch bar. Apple's answer to people who want something like this is the iPad Pro with the adaptive cursor and the keyboard case with the touch pad.

I could be wrong, it's just my instinct.

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