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Re: The Importance of India

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Post by GordonS »

viklove wrote: post #128
GordonS wrote: post #121

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> There are cities like Bangalore/Delhi/Hyderabad (almost all Tier 1 cities) where the IT sector flourishes, the concept of caste is almost invisible; bear in mind this is coming from someone who is from those lower castes. I haven't had the "caste conversation" with my Indian friends for a few years now, but last time I did, they all said marrying outside of their caste would never be accepted by their parents. Frie…

And if you talk to Americans, many of their parents would not accept if they came out as gay. That doesn't mean human rights are not advancing in the US, it just means that the previous generations have a hard time letting go of their bigoted beliefs.

Whoah there, I didn't say there hasn't been progress; I was asking a question in relation to "the concept of caste is almost invisible", because several Indian friends from different cities have told me otherwise

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Post by vijaybritto »

tsimionescu wrote: post #117
vijaybritto wrote: post #113

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>The PRESIDENT is a dalit man. Oh you mean that he's there 'despite' being a dalit? Thank you for making this short

I think they meant that having a Dalit man be presidett is proof that there has been some progress, same as Obama's presidency in the US. That showed that progress has been made in the battle against racism, even if it certainly doesn't mean that racism is over.

The president is not an elected post but a selected post. They selected a dalit exactly for this reason the person above states. For tokenism. The current govt is a Hindutva ideology based govt meaning they literally believe Dalits are just lower humans. The president from a dalit community was just tokenism.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by vijaybritto »

TriNetra wrote: post #122
vijaybritto wrote: post #70

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Good try there. After you're done with the jokes, you can read the persecution faced by the current PRESIDENT of India. https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/opinion-the-jagannath-te...

If you had searched it a little more, you would have found that it was a fake story - https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/viral-test-no-mis... News these days isn't something you can trust blindly. Many a times, fake stories have been planted for political motive/social unrest. Suddenly before election lynching stories start to pop up, see the pattern and understand the motive behind.

Casteism against Dalits is not a political motive. It's the way of life.

Also the above fact check by india Today is a lie. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/india/p... The supreme court had stepped in to express displeasure!

Also this is not a perspective to hold based on a news article. You are making it sound like it's a rate thing happening in India.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by vijaybritto »

teatree wrote: post #119
vijaybritto wrote: post #110

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Unbelievable what privilege can do to a person!! Also I'm not even sure what you're trying to prove. You're presenting opinion in place of facts and common sense. >Do you think the US became a democracy because people were born equals ? Whats the point of this question even? How is the US and India the same? Whats the percentage of white and black people in the US? And whats the percentage of upper castes vs others i…

Bitch please, change your name to a Black or Muslim sounding name and apply in California / US. What's your point - discrimination still exists in India today ? Yes, it does. But there are voices against it, change albeit slowly is happening for the better, not worse. Discrimination exists everywhere, even I am guilty of it many a times, the point is to learn to recognize , be conscious of it and eradicate it via edu…

Ooh a brahmin guy is angry at someone complaining about his systems

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by vijaybritto »

TriNetra wrote: post #120
vijaybritto wrote: post #63

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One needs to be completely blind to make this heartless claim. Are you being sarcastic or something? https://scroll.in/topic/5593/caste-crimes The above list is a sparsely updated list of caste crimes in India. What do you mean casteism is outdated? A dalit and a brahmin are equal in this society? If so kindly show us a place where its the case! This is the PRESIDENT of the country being shoved upon entering a temple…

This was a fake story. Read this report https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/viral-test-no-mis...

It's not. Read this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/india/p...

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by vijaybritto »

TriNetra wrote: post #130
vijaybritto wrote: post #37

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Woah dude. This is so funny. A low caste guy was shot dead last week for entering a temple. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/17-year-old-dalit-b... A man was made to drink urine for loving a girl from upper caste. https://www.thelede.in/governance/2020/05/22/in-caste-crime-... Why are you doing a 'not all men', 'i have black friends' thing here? Anyone can google for these things and figure out the truth. If…

> A low caste guy was shot dead last week for entering a temple. Check the last paragraph in that news: > However, SP Amroha Vipin Tada denied the father’s charges saying that the initial report suggests of a dispute between Vikas’s elder brother and the accused over money. The police maintained that the murder was the result of an altercation between the two accused, and the elder brother of the deceased, over a sum…

Sorry I have just experienced/read too much in real life experiences to not believe in casteism.

On the small note: of course the police maintain that it was not true

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by throwaway384629 »

ra7 wrote: post #124
throwaway384629 wrote: post #116

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How will I organize if government will slap a case against me and will put me in jail? In my previous comment I have shared examples of this happening to people who raised a voice or tried to protest. Rest aside forming an opposition, I dont even feel safe to comment against government by using my real handle. This article summarizes state of tv news media in India: http://www.nationalheraldindia.com/amp/story/india%…

How are literally hundreds of political parties existing and contesting elections in India? What case will the government slap on you if you want to canvass for an opposition, start a political party or contest elections?

140 Cases Filed Against Members of a newly formed political party, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far

https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa...

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You can see the difference in how legal system treats you based on if you are from ruling party or opposition.

The prime minister of India is accused of using a fake degree.

See the difference when Indian PM Modi is accused of fake degree:

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/the-curious-case-o...

Vs when a opposition member is also accused of same crime:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hindustantimes.com/delhi/delh...

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by teatree »

dang wrote: post #65
teatree wrote: post #39

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May I know how many years your grandmother was kept as a slave and abused ? Indian experienced it for 200+ years. People (Americans dare I say ?) have no problems accepting blacks are behind whites on most development indices EVEN TODAY because of slavery and oppression, but somehow can't extend the same logic to former colonial countries like India. Recent economic hardships of a particular class has threatened demo…

Please don't feed the trolls. The site guidelines put it this way: " Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag If you post like this, you're perpetuating a nationalistic flamewar, which is just as bad as starting it. If people simply flagged the firestarter it would fizzle out.

My Apologies. A lesson learnt.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by ra7 »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #137
ra7 wrote: post #124

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How are literally hundreds of political parties existing and contesting elections in India? What case will the government slap on you if you want to canvass for an opposition, start a political party or contest elections?

140 Cases Filed Against Members of a newly formed political party, 72 Disposed of, Just 1 Conviction So Far https://www.news18.com/news/india/140-cases-filed-against-aa... Edited to add more content: You can see the difference in how legal system treats you based on if you are from ruling party or opposition. The prime minister of India is accused of using a fake degree. See the difference when Indian PM Modi is accu…

Nice try. None of the cases filed are for forming a political party or participating in democratic exercises. They range from criminal cases to defamation. The "newly formed" political party has been in power in Delhi since 2015 and has won the last two state elections. You are proving my point.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by infinite8s »

TriNetra wrote: post #107
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #79

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Yes. So? You can have a democratically-elected authoritarian. The authoritarian part is about how they govern, not how they get to power. (And, perhaps, how they stay in power. Venezuela is a good example of authoritarians, once in power, stacking the deck so that the next election keeps them in power. And as they become more unpopular, they continue to stack the deck farther and farther. I don't know if Modi and BJP…

The problem is that most of your understanding about Modi government is coming from western media which has repeatedly shown to be inherently bias against India [0] becoming strong. Part of the reason could be that India didn't join western club after Independence contrary to their expectations and chose to remain non-align (though it gravitated more toward USSR). You wouldn't hear that though Modi has won federal el…

> YOu'd hear about MOdi removing article 370 from Kashmir, the Citizen bill, but you won't get the details about the real reason of why those are needed to solve the problem India has been facing since independence but no prior gov attempted to implement them (despite agreeing in principles on multiple occasions) just because of vote-politics.

So what is the real reason then to solve the problem India has been facing since independence?

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