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The Importance of India

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Re: The Importance of India

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But India is still a Semi Slavery society. The untouchables, anyone? The Hindu caste/social grouping system tells millions of people that they are contaminated and their fate is doomed upon birth. This is the most powerful racist/slavery/brain-washing machine that the human being has ever made, no? It is so hard to believe such brutal system still exist in human society. Yet, the country enforcing this claims to be t…

Lets look at the larger picture. India outlawed untouchability the day constitution was adopted. No ambiguity, no ifs or buts. Not just that, state and people adopted corrective measure to reverse years of discrimination in the form of reservations. Reservations continue to this day and have only increased. Please give me some example where people have gone to this extend to correct historical social injustice. Not a single person I have met in my life denies that cast system is problem needs to go away. I have seen real change in people's attitude. Cast for the most part has vanished from daily life of majority of Indians. You can see its predominance today mostly in marriage. It will fade away with time as well.

Indian election system has continuously improved over the years. Election violence has reduced the minimum and power transition is always peaceful.

Upward mobility has improved. Many government services have improved tremendously. I can go on and on. Point is everything is improving albeit not at the China's pace. But I will take freedom that I enjoy here anytime over somewhat faster development pace.

Re: The Importance of India

#112
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> If China rises to heights of power that eclipse the US completely, only India may be strong enough to speak for liberal democracy right, both countries are systemically killing, displacing and putting muslims in imprisonment camps

Oh pls!! Trolling just for the sake of trolling, you can do it on Twitter. Those imprisonments if at all happened, have a validity and supreme courts are very good to handle any issues like that.

Re: The Importance of India

#113

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One needs to be completely blind to make this heartless claim. Are you being sarcastic or something? https://scroll.in/topic/5593/caste-crimes The above list is a sparsely updated list of caste crimes in India. What do you mean casteism is outdated? A dalit and a brahmin are equal in this society? If so kindly show us a place where its the case! This is the PRESIDENT of the country being shoved upon entering a temple…

The PRESIDENT is a dalit man. It would have been impossible for him to become the president two/three decades ago. This shows that we have indeed improved in certain aspects. It's true that a lot of work still remains. That temple incident is certainly bad and many social evils still persist in the society. The only way to quickly get rid of them is to have a China style 'cultural revolution', which involves destroyi…

>The PRESIDENT is a dalit man.

Oh you mean that he's there 'despite' being a dalit? Thank you for making this short

Re: The Importance of India

#114
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Who were the "essential workers" during the lock down, other than medical professionals ? Did people horde Wikipedia articles or toilet paper ? Knowledge driven economy is a possibility in the future. Automation is definitely driving down jobs, but not to the extent we are imagining. Most production of the world is being done in China and other ASEAN countries by its billion+ population.

India should be targetting that future rather than past successes of other economies. That is exactly how China became successful by targeting the future needs before 30 years or so. While China is investing a lot in AI and automation everywhere, do you think it make sense for India to invest in brick and mortar manufacturing sector? Now that you raised the question of lockdown. Imagine the similar situation in 20 ye…

I accept your argument that India should be focusing on the future and not the past. People and govt of India are definitely guilty of that.

But please answer my question, where do you want manufacturing to happen in the next 20 years ? India or China ?

Regarding AI and Automation, yes, India is definitely falling behind in that race and should invest more. But what percentage of the population will support that ? Will the poor care about food on their plates or AI and Automation ? A democracy is represented by majority not minority.

In next 20 years, do you want a world lead by democracies or China ? Please vote with your wallet. Democracy is as much about duties as rights.

Re: The Importance of India

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If someone recognized that they had some level of prejudice against persons from India, what would you advise they do. To be clear, I have friends of Indian descent, and I value them, but I also work with people from India and I'm afraid I find them more annoying than not.

It's good that you recognise your bias. Most, if not all people have biases. Few recognise them. Even fewer are willing to fix them. So kudos to you.

The best way to work on such feelings is with a professional such as a therapist. I'd like to remind you that there doesn't need to be anything wrong with a person to be able to benefit from seeing a therapist.

Seeing a (good) therapist can, and in almost all cases will make someone a better person because you get a (more or less) objective outside view that makes you question and explore your emotions, why you feel the way you feel, and help you figure out what you can do to change for the better.

That said, IMO, you could start here:

Firstly, you must realise (you very probably already know this, maybe you just haven't given it much thought) that there are all kinds of people from all countries, in all kinds of demographics.

Secondly, it's import to ask yourself what is it about most Indians that you find annoying? Is it their attitude? Is it their accent? Is it their culture?

Don't be ashamed if you find that your reasoning doesn't make sense or isn't completely rational. Feelings often aren't. That's okay.

Once you know what it is that you don't like about Indians, pay attention to it next time you feel annoyed by Indians. Are they really doing something that should annoy you? Or is it a false perception of yours? Recognising biases and catching yourself in the act goes a long way towards overcoming said biases.

You should also try to find like-minded individuals, or individuals that you look up to from the demographic in question and spend time with them. That'll help you realise that there are likable and admirable people within the group too, and help dismiss your biases against them.

This article has some good advice too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-practice/201508/6...

I wish you the best of luck.

Re: The Importance of India

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Not sure if India is still a democracy. Media and Judiciary are important pillars of democracy, but they are tightly controlled by the Government in India. Former Chief Justice of India (CJI) Ranjan Gogoi was nominated to the Rajya Sabha by President (Current Government) [1]: A judge dies right before court case hearing of the top leader of the ruling party. [2] An Indian Police Service officer [3] is known for his r…

Throwing in a bunch of complaints (sometimes valid) doesn't mean India is not a democracy. Do the people still choose the government via elections or not? If you don't like policies of the current government, organize the opposition and vote them out. That's not being curtailed by anyone.

How will I organize if government will slap a case against me and will put me in jail? In my previous comment I have shared examples of this happening to people who raised a voice or tried to protest.

Rest aside forming an opposition, I dont even feel safe to comment against government by using my real handle.

This article summarizes state of tv news media in India: http://www.nationalheraldindia.com/amp/story/india%252F14-de...

Re: The Importance of India

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The PRESIDENT is a dalit man. It would have been impossible for him to become the president two/three decades ago. This shows that we have indeed improved in certain aspects. It's true that a lot of work still remains. That temple incident is certainly bad and many social evils still persist in the society. The only way to quickly get rid of them is to have a China style 'cultural revolution', which involves destroyi…

>The PRESIDENT is a dalit man. Oh you mean that he's there 'despite' being a dalit? Thank you for making this short

I think they meant that having a Dalit man be presidett is proof that there has been some progress, same as Obama's presidency in the US. That showed that progress has been made in the battle against racism, even if it certainly doesn't mean that racism is over.

Re: The Importance of India

#118
post #53

> If China rises to heights of power that eclipse the US completely, only India may be strong enough to speak for liberal democracy right, both countries are systemically killing, displacing and putting muslims in imprisonment camps

Oh pls!! Trolling just for the sake of trolling, you can do it on Twitter. Those imprisonments if at all happened, have a validity and supreme courts are very good to handle any issues like that.

How is this trolling? Millions are affected across China and India, people are dying on a daily basis ... But yeah I get it they have no purchase power and they're not white not Christian so who gives a shit

Re: The Importance of India

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What fantasy are you living in ? Do you think the US became a democracy because people were born equals ? No, they rose on the back of slaves and wars. Do you think the citizens of today's super powers, US & China are born equals ? Why is BLM a thing ? Why are Ugyhers and Buddhists struggling in China. Why is the Dalia lama living in exile ? Caste is definitely problem in India today but it is being fought. There is…

Unbelievable what privilege can do to a person!! Also I'm not even sure what you're trying to prove. You're presenting opinion in place of facts and common sense. >Do you think the US became a democracy because people were born equals ? Whats the point of this question even? How is the US and India the same? Whats the percentage of white and black people in the US? And whats the percentage of upper castes vs others i…

Bitch please, change your name to a Black or Muslim sounding name and apply in California / US. What's your point - discrimination still exists in India today ? Yes, it does. But there are voices against it, change albeit slowly is happening for the better, not worse.

Discrimination exists everywhere, even I am guilty of it many a times, the point is to learn to recognize , be conscious of it and eradicate it via education and CONSENT. When a dailt man is discriminated against in India, even if not effectively enforced, it is a crime, organizations, political parties, media that champion their causes exist. When a Ugyher is taken into a concentration camp in China, the law doesn't say a word, media remains silent.

The discussion here is not about flaws of India. The question is whether the rest of the world should continue enabling China via trade or move elsewhere, and the impact of this decision on the future of the world.

Re: The Importance of India

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India is striding away from these practices. The ground reality is quite different today, unfortunately, the outside world has this impression from historic books or articles about India which are largely outdated now. There is very little information on the internet regarding the improvements and the shift of the young generation here in India away from such practices.

One needs to be completely blind to make this heartless claim. Are you being sarcastic or something? https://scroll.in/topic/5593/caste-crimes The above list is a sparsely updated list of caste crimes in India. What do you mean casteism is outdated? A dalit and a brahmin are equal in this society? If so kindly show us a place where its the case! This is the PRESIDENT of the country being shoved upon entering a temple…

This was a fake story. Read this report https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/viral-test-no-mis...
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