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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by danaris »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #562
shuckles wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the very nature of a highly skilled worker, they likely cannot realize the full value of those skills without a certain economic and commercial context. It is definitely not the case that for most H1-B employees the counterfactual is "growing their own countries out of poverty." Most likely, the counterfactual is being another 75th percentile wage worker in a low income country. In addition, this line of reasoning…

Could you please express yourself in simpler English? I cannot understand what you just said - not a native speaker.

Their thesis is that many of the home countries of H1B visa holders do not have the social, technological, and economic infrastructure to support lots of jobs with the skills that they are able to use to their potential in the US.

Thus, if they go home, they will not likely be "lifting their country out of poverty"—they will just be stuck in one of the jobs that is available there. Low-skill, low-pay jobs, without any prospect for advancing to something more like they would be able to do here.

I don't know to what extent this is true, but this is my understanding of their post.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by Leherenn »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #562
shuckles wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the very nature of a highly skilled worker, they likely cannot realize the full value of those skills without a certain economic and commercial context. It is definitely not the case that for most H1-B employees the counterfactual is "growing their own countries out of poverty." Most likely, the counterfactual is being another 75th percentile wage worker in a low income country. In addition, this line of reasoning…

Could you please express yourself in simpler English? I cannot understand what you just said - not a native speaker.

A highly skilled person can only thrive in the right environment. As an extreme example, take the best programmer in the world, and send him back 500 years in the past, he's probably not going to be very productive.

(The counterpoint to this, which the GP didn't talk about, is that this person is still likely to be able to retrain and be productive in that society in other ways.)

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by CodeShmode »

tekknik wrote: post #574
perfmode wrote: post #569

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The prison industrial complex is a term we use to describe the overlapping interests of government and industry that use surveillance, policing, and imprisonment as solutions to economic, social and political problems.

Yea so this doesn’t clear it up at all. Are you suggesting we start legalizing things, so that instead of going to jail people are treated for mental health problems if someone robs a house or commits murder? Why can’t people just not commit crimes?

If your main concern is getting people to commit less crimes then we should support a system that promotes rehabilitation over punishment.

Perhaps take a look at Norway's system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_Norway

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by OzzyB »

triceratops wrote: post #262
OzzyB wrote: post #227

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That's a good idea, but alas I fear such a proposal would be deemed too... umm nationalistic or something... better to have local talent pay through the nose for their qualifications so that they can then compete on the global market with folks that don't have such debt.

> such a proposal would be deemed too... umm nationalistic or something I think you meant "socialist".

To be honest with you, I have no fucking idea anymore.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by jhardy54 »

tekknik wrote: post #535
jhardy54 wrote: post #521

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Explaining my downvote: I'm thoroughly annoyed at all of the versions of this comment on HN lately. It adds nothing to the discussion, and derails the conversation we were having to talk about some vague injustice where People These Days don't let you say Stuff Like This. Can you point to something you've said that's resulted in the problem you've described?

Does it have to be something parent specifically said? If not look around the news?

Sorry, based on your comment history I don't think I'd like to discuss anything with you. Cheers.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #563
2ion wrote: post #420

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That's a long road. Very few tech firms generate the kind of money from tech abroad like many US firms do. You won't be earning 300k in a non-US company in Germany very very likely when looking at similarly-levelled roles (to exclude high-powered roles) compared to the US. You'll be looking at 1/3rd the total comp max in many cases and that'll already be a very good salary in the field. And possibly higher taxes, no…

Having lived in US for 2 years and having visited Korea and Germany, people US do not even imagine how bad is QoL in US tech hubs, even wit higher wage. I mean Seoul or Berlin is SO much more interesting place than SF Bay. The only places in US I'd consider worth living is Chicago, Boston and probably Seattle.

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ScalaFan »

belltaco wrote: post #399
samfisher83 wrote: post #80

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People in Canada aren't making US salaries. Most people want to go to the US for the money.

That makes Canada even more attractive to tech companies because they can save money. Canadian salaries and living standards are still better than many other countries'.

Tech labor has historically cheaper than in the US. It would have been nice to see more Canadian tech success stories at 1/10 the number that have occurred in SV alone. There must be some other variables that explain the difference.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by pascalxus »

hintymad wrote: post #446
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

I know this will probably be flagged or voted down, but at least please understand that I truly want to see people in the US get better and more equal. Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. And I'm not talking about an-iPad-per-kid kind of investment, but investment to hire great teachers, lots of them, to public schools to the point that tutoring scho…

Why are people so quick to always blame teachers? What makes you think throwing even more money at the problem will make things better?

Growing up in a poor area, I went to some of the "worst" schools you can imagine (one even had to get shut down) and I had one of the most inspiring history teachers there, that I still remember to this day. And all the other teachers were great too. It's not the fault of the teachers when students are too busy pencil fighting and throwing basketballs at the teacher's head, rather than studying.

What on earth do you mean with "low quality education"? I certainly didn't see that in the worse schools I went to. I think people misunderstand term "bad schools" and take it literally to mean that the schools are bad. this is completely incorrect. When people say "bad schools" it means the students who went to the school performed bad on standardized tests. It's not a reflection of teachers, or schools or funding. I went to such schools and still did just fine, so did many others.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by downerending »

noncoml wrote: post #553
downerending wrote: post #530

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So again, I wasn't there. I will say, having grown up in the sticks, I love hearing the accents of foreign people and sometimes ask them about theirs. I know they might take it wrong, but it's hard to resist doing so. And indeed, when I see someone in pain or anxiety, I'm often tempted to just make small talk on any subject I can think of, to distract them. I usually don't, to avoid offense. But I think they'd suffer…

I never get offended when I am asked. Why would I? It’s natural curiosity IMHO. And actually makes small talk easier as it’s a subject I know and can chat about :) But I don’t know, if I told you I was from Greece, would my visa be the first think that would pop into your mind for small talk?

Speaking just for myself, I often end up saying rather stupid things when thinking on my feet.

On the other hand, yeah, the could simply have been a jackass. Greeks, though? Who doesn't love the Greeks? The Turks, I guess, but in America, I think they are well-regarded.

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