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NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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I mean, I’ve been hearing a lot of cases where the police killed people who were definitely not “violent criminals who have no regard for police life”. Brianna Taylor’s boyfriend wasn’t a violent criminal when he fired at the police. “ A defence attorney for Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, says he fired in self-defence because police did not announce themselves and that he believed they were breaking in to the ho…

Just a heads up I think her name is spelled Breonna[0]. Not a knock against the rest of your post, I like it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor

Thank you, that was my mistake. My comment is too old for me to edit but I will make sure to get this right next time. Solidarity!

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Does this include Google's Sidewalk / CityBridge / LinkNYC kiosks (multiple sensors and cameras) partnership with NYC? https://gizmodo.com/nycs-free-wifi-service-is-turning-into-a... https://cryptome.org/2016/06/linknyc-spy-kiosks-installation... https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmid...

And more...

“This is a partnership, not a contractual relationship.” [1]

"Because of partner relations and legal authorities, SSO Corporate sites are often controlled by the partner, who filters the communications before sending to NSA." [2]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/us/politics/att-helped-ns...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/08/15/us/documents....

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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The majority of victims of police brutality (at least deaths by police, of course there are other forms of police brutality but killings by police is what the current conversation is about) are violent criminals. Of the ~1000 people killed by police in 2019 538 were armed with a gun, 159 with a knife, 60 with a vehicle, and 63 with another weapon. 41 were unarmed, 23 had a toy weapon, and 49 is unknown. [0] The major…

"They have a gun", the statement, is different from "they have a gun", the fact. There's no actual oversight to these reports - the closest we have is the Washington Post performing the intensive work of collecting reports from individual police departments, but they're unable to verify the reports. In other countries like England & Wales, when a police officer seriously injures or kills someone, there's a formal inv…

Being unable to verify the reports does in no way make them false. There must be some actual evidence of widespread falsification of reports. Many of these killings have actual recorded evidence of the criminal shooting or drawing a firearm, such as the video a month or two back of a black man fleeing from police in a park. Currently your claim that armed suspects shot by police were not actually armed is simply a theory which has no evidence to back it up. How many of these cases do you believe are framed by the police? 20%? 40%? 80%? All of them?

All officer involved shootings are investigated, but you take issue with the investigation being internal. If an independent investigation office was created, would you accept the results if the results still were the same? What group, would you accept results from in independent office from as not compromised or part of a pro-police conspiracy? Certainly not any Trump appointed office, no matter how seemingly neutral.

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This is a hot take, and I’ll readily admit to it: I’m sucker for true crime, so I watch a lot of interrogations. There are very specific tactics that are used to psychologically build up egos, barrage an ego, frame things in different ways that absolve the perpetrator, standard god cop / bad cop, and so forth. Murder police do this with murder suspects. The thing is, murder police are super trained to deal with murde…

A taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law, so the officer was in fact following his training by responding with lethal force when the taser was pointed at him by Rayshard. > Earlier this month, Howard charged six Atlanta police officers with using excessive force in pulling two college students out of a car during a protest. In justifying charges of aggravated assault against some of the officers, Howard said a Ta…

Anyone like to refute this instead of just downvoting? I don't believe anything in this comment is incorrect, if I am false please correct whichever fact is incorrect.

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Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

You really believe police academies indoctrinate simply for the purpose of indoctrinating, and that police want and consciously will themselves to become psychopaths? What do you believe is the purpose of the indoctrination for the sake of indoctrination? Why would someone want to turn themselves into a psychopath?

The argument is that every millisecond that they don't shoot matters, so training themselves to shoot instinctively and to ensure the person is dead when they do shoot is the solution. Part of the problem is that the techniques they use to train this involve dehumanisation of targets - it's really hard to get someone to kill an actual person, so they train that response on things that don't look like people, with the hope that it transfers over.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a hot take, and I’ll readily admit to it: I’m sucker for true crime, so I watch a lot of interrogations. There are very specific tactics that are used to psychologically build up egos, barrage an ego, frame things in different ways that absolve the perpetrator, standard god cop / bad cop, and so forth. Murder police do this with murder suspects. The thing is, murder police are super trained to deal with murde…

A taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law, so the officer was in fact following his training by responding with lethal force when the taser was pointed at him by Rayshard. > Earlier this month, Howard charged six Atlanta police officers with using excessive force in pulling two college students out of a car during a protest. In justifying charges of aggravated assault against some of the officers, Howard said a Ta…

The political hacks have made their way to HN. Downvoting facts they disagree with.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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"They have a gun", the statement, is different from "they have a gun", the fact. There's no actual oversight to these reports - the closest we have is the Washington Post performing the intensive work of collecting reports from individual police departments, but they're unable to verify the reports. In other countries like England & Wales, when a police officer seriously injures or kills someone, there's a formal inv…

Being unable to verify the reports does in no way make them false. There must be some actual evidence of widespread falsification of reports. Many of these killings have actual recorded evidence of the criminal shooting or drawing a firearm, such as the video a month or two back of a black man fleeing from police in a park. Currently your claim that armed suspects shot by police were not actually armed is simply a th…

The question is what happens to the people who kill without that being the appropriate response. What happened to the police officers who killed those 41 unarmed people? Is there a detailed public report I can read about what happened, including any disciplinary or management measures that were taken? How about the others - who's ensuring that it was an appropriate and proportionate response to the danger? Can I read their report? Is there a body which makes recommendations to the police on how to ensure that are less likely to happen? And the mere presence of a weapon doesn't always make it an appropriate response, especially in a country where there is a legal right to own a weapon. We're well aware than internal investigations don't work, and that external investigations only sort of work.

Also, circling back - even if the police only killed violent people, my personal experience is that their interactions with the community are pretty much always to threaten violence - except for their attempts to indoctrinate children into accepting their presence. I've seen police break ribs and knock non-violent, merely uncooperative, people unconscious, then fail to provide healthcare. They've harassed and threatened people attempting to film them, including taking details and arresting people who refuse to provide them. There was a spate where they arrested random people on my street for no stated reason, then released them just before they had to explain to a judge why they were arrested. Just because people don't die most of the time doesn't make them unaffected.

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