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NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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In the last few weeks many cities have passed laws to bring more transparency to police brutality. This is a good step, but I am curious - how much are these laws enforceable? I was just reading that some Atlanta cops are not reporting to work - protest for the arrest of the cop who shot Rayshard Brooks. If that is the mentality, how much cooperation can we expect? Not talking about this particular NYC law, just in g…

The cops that stay home because police are being held accountable for their brutality should stay home permanently -- without a job.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Police have their hooks in every level of government. Police unions have very large coffers and money talks.

This is never the case. The issue is almost always due to the costs of hosting and making available the data. Look up the open justice initiative in California.

If that were really the case they would just make you go in person and pay for a print out

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is never the case. The issue is almost always due to the costs of hosting and making available the data. Look up the open justice initiative in California.

No the costs of hosting the data is not the reason they hide it.

What other possible reasons could they have other than hosting costs? /sarcasm

You’d think we as a society figured out hosting costs ...

Any quote on what the cost of hosting is and if it can be crowd funded? Technically speaking, their whole institution is crowd funded so I don’t know where they get the autonomy to decide jack shit.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

This post is at odds with the fact that the military teaches stricter rules of engagement than police forces. There may be a culture problem in the force but this post is hysteria. Police deal with violent criminals who have no regard for police life; in fact often they are explicitly against police. They're going to learn techniques appropriate for dealing with such people. Some of those techniques will be violent a…

This is a hot take, and I’ll readily admit to it:

I’m sucker for true crime, so I watch a lot of interrogations. There are very specific tactics that are used to psychologically build up egos, barrage an ego, frame things in different ways that absolve the perpetrator, standard god cop / bad cop, and so forth. Murder police do this with murder suspects. The thing is, murder police are super trained to deal with murders.

I think street beat cops are similar to script kiddies. They don’t understand infrastructure and networking, and mostly know code monkey usage of scripts. On small enough targets, you can start to believe you are king shit doing whatever you are doing.

Until it goes too far, and the big boys show up and assess you. That’s when we find out your script kiddie cops have little to no training on de-escalation, have little to no understanding of the community, think establishing authority and show of force in any situation is professional, think defending their ego in situations has a place, think bringing respect to the uniform in a literal ongoing situation that could turn sideways has a place, and so on.

That’s what we’re finding out, they are mostly amateurs. They are not super trained to deal with their job. Guy clearly drunk and asleep in a car? First time you’ve ever dealt with this? Ended in a fatality, eh?

Lots of training there going over that basic scenario ...

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

This post is at odds with the fact that the military teaches stricter rules of engagement than police forces. There may be a culture problem in the force but this post is hysteria. Police deal with violent criminals who have no regard for police life; in fact often they are explicitly against police. They're going to learn techniques appropriate for dealing with such people. Some of those techniques will be violent a…

The problem is that these violent criminals are in the extreme minority; while certainly police need to be trained to handle them, they also need to be trained to handle the other 99% of the people they will encounter, who are not violent. But they aren't, so they revert to treating everyone as if they were a violent criminal fractions of a second away from attacking them. That's why we have the problem of police brutality in the first place.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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I'm glad that NYC's dystopic Domain Awareness system gets some coverage here.

However it's curious that Microsoft isn't mentioned at all in the article - even though every inch of this abomination is entirely Microsoft's creation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Awareness_System

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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Am I misunderstanding something here or does this imply that up until now the city of NYC did not have full access and transparency concerning the capacities of the NYPD? How is this even a thing? I don't know much about the US political system but how is it that the police is not entirely subjected to civic government and why does a law need to be passed to control what the NYPD does?

Contrary to what people love to say, the police dont work for the tax payer. They work for the tax collector.

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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There is something even MORE important to be released and that is the police training manuals and materials which the NYPD have been hiding from FOIL requests for over a decade now. To all New Yorkers: You are currently NOT ENTITLED to see the methods and techniques taught at the NYPD academy. Requests are being denied on these grounds: "Deniable records include records or portions thereof that: (e) are compiled for…

Very likely they're using military psychological training. The rules of engagement they adopt against citizens don't seem that different from those used by soldiers in enemy territory. The complete lack of empathy towards human life reminds of the depersonalizing of the enemy that helps soldiers remain efficient and detached while they slaughter their "targets". For that matter, even more important than the manuals a…

You really believe police academies indoctrinate simply for the purpose of indoctrinating, and that police want and consciously will themselves to become psychopaths? What do you believe is the purpose of the indoctrination for the sake of indoctrination? Why would someone want to turn themselves into a psychopath?

Re: NYC passes POST Act, requiring police department to reveal surveillance tech

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is at odds with the fact that the military teaches stricter rules of engagement than police forces. There may be a culture problem in the force but this post is hysteria. Police deal with violent criminals who have no regard for police life; in fact often they are explicitly against police. They're going to learn techniques appropriate for dealing with such people. Some of those techniques will be violent a…

The problem is that these violent criminals are in the extreme minority; while certainly police need to be trained to handle them, they also need to be trained to handle the other 99% of the people they will encounter, who are not violent. But they aren't, so they revert to treating everyone as if they were a violent criminal fractions of a second away from attacking them. That's why we have the problem of police bru…

The majority of victims of police brutality (at least deaths by police, of course there are other forms of police brutality but killings by police is what the current conversation is about) are violent criminals. Of the ~1000 people killed by police in 2019 538 were armed with a gun, 159 with a knife, 60 with a vehicle, and 63 with another weapon. 41 were unarmed, 23 had a toy weapon, and 49 is unknown. [0] The majority of people that cops interact with overall are not violent criminals, but the majority of people subject to the type of police brutality which is overwhelmingly controlling the conversation (i.e. killings by police) are violent criminals.

[0] https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-po...

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