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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Terrible idea. Upping the salary requirement for H1-B achieves the goal of using it only for highly-skilled workers. Instead, now employers have to make do with bootcamp grads instead of foreign engineers at lower level positions, hurting businesses.

is this satirical? that's entirely the point, they have to train Americans rather than hiring foreigners. the entire point is to benefit WORKERS, not businesses.

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I know this will probably be flagged or voted down, but at least please understand that I truly want to see people in the US get better and more equal. Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. And I'm not talking about an-iPad-per-kid kind of investment, but investment to hire great teachers, lots of them, to public schools to the point that tutoring scho…

This comment is the reason why we need to rethink our current culture of censorship and social media outrage. It explains a non-trivial logical connection, showing how something that could look unpopular from the surface, would pay off in the long run. Except you cannot make comments like this in public anymore. Because all it takes is an angry mob leader shouting "%USERNAME% is %CLICHE%ist" and that's it. Your emplo…

I'm not sure this comment contributes to the discussion at hand at all. Other than to try to derail the convo into some dialog about "censorship".

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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I get asked where I am from all the time, because of my strange accent. However I've never before been asked about what visa I came in on. The way he talked about the Visas, gave me the impression of someone who has been conditioned to believe that "those Visas" are evil. Or maybe I completely misread it, and he was just trying to make conversation as you said, to calm me down. But choosing the Visa subject seemed qu…

So again, I wasn't there. I will say, having grown up in the sticks, I love hearing the accents of foreign people and sometimes ask them about theirs. I know they might take it wrong, but it's hard to resist doing so. And indeed, when I see someone in pain or anxiety, I'm often tempted to just make small talk on any subject I can think of, to distract them. I usually don't, to avoid offense. But I think they'd suffer…

I never get offended when I am asked. Why would I? It’s natural curiosity IMHO. And actually makes small talk easier as it’s a subject I know and can chat about :)

But I don’t know, if I told you I was from Greece, would my visa be the first think that would pop into your mind for small talk?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Geopolitics is inevitable: everything's interlinked--trade, laws, defense, research--everything. If a nation wants to persist and prosper, it needs to play the game; being an aloof loner or a blatant bully won't get you far.

It wont get you very far seems to ignore centuries of aloofness and often very bad behavior being rewarded with great success.

Conquest fell out of fashion with the bomb; it's all proxy wars, psyops, and deniable covert/cyber attacks now. Slamming the door on H-1B’s (while it might be nice for my own income) weakens American companies and sends world talent elsewhere, like China. Who's only too happy to fund infrastructure in Greenland/Africa/Europe to extend soft power across the globe while siezing harder power closer to home (Hong Kong, South Sea expansionism, etc). Sitting out the game isn't an option, and going at it alone ain't much better.

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Because all the best Indian software engineers went to US grad schools and then went to Silicon Valley. It sounds like you don’t live in Silicon Valley.

This sounds incredibly racist. All the best Indian engineers went to Silicon Valley?

How on earth is that racist? Just throwing that word around worthlessly is what is wrong with this world right now.

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I know this will probably be flagged or voted down, but at least please understand that I truly want to see people in the US get better and more equal. Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. And I'm not talking about an-iPad-per-kid kind of investment, but investment to hire great teachers, lots of them, to public schools to the point that tutoring scho…

>>Here it goes: if the US wants to invest in local talent, the US had better invest heavily in education. As some one who worked in US and returned to India. Let me tell you immigrants will support this as soon as they get their US passports and Green Cards. It's just which side of the fence you sit on. Once these people have a stake in your country, they magically shift their loyalties to the exact opposite position…

It has worried me for years why salaries for tech employees in, say, India, don't equalize with US salaries. It seems like there is something artificial preventing it.

But as long as the discrepancy exists, then it seems like there would be a tremendous benefit in allowing people to freely immigrate, even for those already at the destination. Fear of immigrants is based on the idea that they will work for less, but if it's still more than they were making, then the competitive situation for labor has improved, as long as one accepts that it is a global market. I wish there was a way to get political traction for this, as a self-interested goal for American (or other developed country) workers.

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#557

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

Exactly. H1B is great. Most people don't come to SV just for money. They are seeking interesting applications of technology, researching on breakthroughs, climbing corporate ladder etc. Whether you like it or not, most tech companies are run by immigrants. If someone is against that, I don't know whether you're afraid of competition or think that only natives have the sacred right to work on interesting stuff.

I'm not saying I'm not against people who are abusing H1B. That should be banned NOW.

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No you aren't missing anything. "could of" (and its cousins "would of" and "should of") are common mistakes made (interestingly) almost exclusively by English-as-first-language speakers (my observation, so don't ask for citations I don't have any), since they sound similar to "could have", "would have" and "should have" particularly in "native" English accents (I'm thinking North American and UK especially). I've nev…

It's just misspelled. 'Could've' is a standard contraction.

I did misspell it in my comment. It definitely should have (should've? :) ) been written as "could have".

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The H1B is also not designed to support diversity or equality, which is crucial if we consider it a stepping-stone to long-term immigration (which many people want). It would seem reasonable to place an intake limit of 10% from any one country, and limiting males to a maximum of 49%. Right now, lets be honest, the H1B is giant immigration scheme for Indian males to get into the USA: 75% of applicants are Indian, and…

We shouldn’t focus on diversity for the sake of diversity. The purpose of H1-B is to attract talent but when you say a certain percentage need to be from a specific country, or of a specific sex or race then it’s not about talent (and is actually racist, “you’re not indian so you can’t have this job”). Why do we even tolerate ideas like this?

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Of course they do not own their citizen, that is why you can take them to the US or other developed countries. However yes you do rob these countries of skilled workforce, and yes you do create an environment, which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries. You just have to be honest, and say that benefit for US outweighs the loss for…

I don't think someone from a collectivist culture will never be able to understand the motivations of someone from an individualistic culture, I believe it's a pretty deep seated blindness. I can't help you, rather, we can't help each other, you just have to be in the right region of the globe that supports your intrinsic culture. [1] > which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery o…

What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person?

What I am telling that the current H1B system in US does not benefit anyone exception for the employer and probably enslaved employee. The original motivation behind the program is decent - let the really outstanding specialists to develop more (as US provides more opportunities for the top people), but what it become is essentially stripping the countries of intellectual power in bulk, and using back in US for a cheap price, basically enslaving them, by locking them via H1Bs. American workforce suffers, because they are under constant stress for being replaced by cheap H1Bs, the poor countries suffer, because of brain drain, world becomes more unequal, USA becomes more unequal.

I never said nothing about "imprisonment" - most of poor countries are not prisons, and especially not for IT specialists, who can have some decent quality of live with their salaries. And the only hope for "the prisons" as you mentioned before to improve, is to keep their intellectuals in.

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