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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by peripitea »

artificial wrote: post #384
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

O type Visas have no quota [0]. This is what the H1B are represented as though in practice suppress wages[1][2]. This issue is decades in the making and companies exploiting these programs earned their scrutiny. Especially when there's massive unemployment companies importing labor under these auspices need to be called out. [0] https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker... [1] https://www.wsj.com/a…

O visas are much harder to get than H-1B. I've hired a bunch of people via H-1B that we could not have hired via O. None of them were displacing American workers -- we would have hired just as many (or more) qualified American workers if they had been available too. So it seems disingenuous to imply that O covers the intended purpose of H-1B. (For the record, I agree that companies like Tata abuse H-1B and that sort of situation should be banned.)

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #419
triceratops wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you aren't missing anything. "could of" (and its cousins "would of" and "should of") are common mistakes made (interestingly) almost exclusively by English-as-first-language speakers (my observation, so don't ask for citations I don't have any), since they sound similar to "could have", "would have" and "should have" particularly in "native" English accents (I'm thinking North American and UK especially). I've nev…

It's just misspelled. 'Could've' is a standard contraction.

"Could-have" is misspelled? Or "could of"?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

braindead_in wrote: post #409
codelord wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left my country to escape a totalitarian regime. I think just because you are born in a place doesn't mean you have the responsibility to completely sacrifice your life. Humans collectively have an obligation to help lift poor countries out of poverty. The question is are you against immigration because you genuinely care about the poverty in my country?

Calling the Indian Government a totalitarian regime is stretching it a bit too much. India is still a paradise of liberty compared to China and some other countries in our region. Indians want H1B because they want to earn in dollars, plain and simple. All other reasons are secondary. H1B is modern-day bonded labor. You guys are the sugar slaves of this age, like it or not.

> H1B is modern-day bonded labor.

That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Bonded laborers were forbidden to leave their jobs under penalty of the law (like actual prison time). H-1B holders are free to leave any time, they just experience a massive drop in income.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

pascalxus wrote: post #421
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

I can understand how this might seem unfair to immigrants. this part is completely wrong: "If they have more workforce they can do more". The demand for labor is not determined by the supply of labor, it's determined by the demand for those products. When companies higher engineers for example, they don't just go, "hey, we just had two brilliant engineers interview, so instead of highering 1, we'll higher 2." It neve…

> And even in the bay area, average engineering salaries lag behind the local COL.

> the US simply won't allow for enough housing to be built

You don't see the connection here? Why do you think there will be enough housing even with less immigration? The "housing must increase value at all costs" mantra is responsible for this.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by Ghjklov »

tra112233 wrote: post #470

I am on H1B visa currently, one of those with high paying jobs in my current geographic area. I did my Masters in EE and have been on H1B since 2008, waiting for my GC, which may or may not happen. I want to ask a question to those who feel that I should not be here. Why is it wrong for someone like me to move from my home country legally as a student, then decide to work and live here, since it is legal and that opt…

I don't have a strong opinion on whether you should or shouldn't be here, but I wanted to give a different perspective. It's really only tangentially related to this whole discussion.

A lot of Americans have been taught that the U.S is the land of opportunity, a place where anyone can come and through hard work can make something out of themselves. What people probably imagine when they think about this is poor immigrants coming and starting from the bottom, starting in food service jobs or doing janitorial work or something and working their way up. That's the American dream they were told about. None of them would imagine that through an H1B visa, we'd be allowing some of the most highly educated immigrants from other countries to come and immediately work in high level positions with salaries of 6 or even 7 figures.

I find it understandable that some amount of Americans feel that this is wrong and that they were told a lie.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by BeetleB »

fredfoobar wrote: post #431
BeetleB wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not referring to a deep secret. This is well documented. Just search the Internet for H1-B "prevailing wage" loophole and you'll find some. (Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but it is quite nuanced and I don't remember the details).

Convenient. It’s both obvious and not at the same time, how does that work?

> It’s both obvious

Can you please show me how it's obvious?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

Anon1096 wrote: post #385
kjksf wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was talking about software jobs. "More than half of the top American tech companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants" https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/us-tech-companies-founded-by... Recent immigrants were responsible for creating tens of thousands of jobs, most of them for Americans. Software isn't a zero-sum game even on a country level and certainly US benefits enormously because companie…

Immigrants starting businesses aren't doing it on H1-B visas. Those are only for employees of existing companies and don't upgrade to permanent citizenship.

> Immigrants starting businesses aren't doing it on H1-B visas.

Because it's very difficult. Even then Zenefits' co-founder (Laks Srini) started on an H-1B.[1]

What's that saying? "Entrepreneurship uh...finds a way."

1. https://www.computerworld.com/article/2852250/silicon-valley...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

2ion wrote: post #414
rantwasp wrote: post #104

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this is a textbook example of when someone should lose their job on the spot

Because somebody's feelings were hurt? That's a useless argument to make against a professional who's basically effective at his job and very useful to society. The US is useless at civil rights these days precisely because it's all between "my feels" and straight out looting. Conditioned knee jerking all over the place.

So when you're in an ambulance having a medical emergency, you'd be OK with being asked a question like that? And having to worry about whether the answer might affect the quality of care you receive?

Not everything about "my feels" is without consequence. Try and be a human being. Have some empathy.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by gorbachev15 »

kiliantics wrote: post #403
gorbachev15 wrote: post #134

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I think each nation[0] should be entitled to make decisions for themselves and have a right to run their state the way they see fit. I wouldn't presume to move to, say, Japan and then start telling them that they're doing things wrong. [0] https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation

What if they moved to Japan because of an opportunity provided by a Japanese organisation that needed their skills, and then they spent enough time there that they had buy in to the community and were a recognised member in it and were valued by that community? I don't think this is too hard to imagine applying to a person living long term in Japan and definitely not hard to imagine in the US, where there are no true…

If I lived there a long time, I still wouldn't be Japanese. Look, it's definitely an emotionally charged issue the longer someone has been in a place, but that doesn't change the basic facts. We can discuss the merits all day long but not the legitimacy of the government to decide who can and cannot stay.

For the purposes of this debate, "Americans" means citizens and those that can vote, the ones to whom the government answers.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by triceratops »

noncoml wrote: post #429
2ion wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because somebody's feelings were hurt? That's a useless argument to make against a professional who's basically effective at his job and very useful to society. The US is useless at civil rights these days precisely because it's all between "my feels" and straight out looting. Conditioned knee jerking all over the place.

I agree with you. Unless it can be proven that he provided sub-par care because I was a foreigner, which I am pretty sure that he didn't, then there is absolutely no case for losing his job, or even be warned. It's good to talk about our feelings and try to be considered to each other, but we should put facts and reason above feelings, which are not objective, otherwise we are doomed as society. Having said that, if…

> Unless it can be proven that he provided sub-par care because I was a foreigner,

If the patient has an adverse outcome and it comes out that a question like this was asked, you can bet someone will try to convince a jury that that was the case. You think the ambulance company wants to waste months or years in litigation?

At best, the paramedic was a moron asking a pointless question in an emergency situation. And alienating the patient, potentially worsening their condition. As an employer, I'd put them on a PIP immediately.

At worst they've opened up the company to a multi-million dollar suit.

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