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Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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I’m also a T1D. I assure you, lots of diabetics have tried keto diets. It doesn’t put the disease “in remission”. That’s not how the disease works.

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You’d be off base in questioning any of that, at least as the central premise that “X person didn’t have Y effects because they ate too much Z macro.”

Keto, when strictly followed, provides a great reduction to bolus needs (in personal experience, 80-90% reduction, depending on protein intake), and a lesser, but still significant, reduction to basal needs (30% in my case); however, both types of insulin are absolutely still needed to prevent high blood sugars in an environment with no insulin, which is a significant risk of DKA (and death). Protein metabolizes into excess sugar in the blood stream as well, so unless you’re eating a pure fat diet, you will still need insulin. In addition to that, there are hormones (cortisol for sure), and other non-macro nutrients and alkaloids (a common report is caffeine, but this very much depends on individual biochemistry) that can cause rises in blood sugar, which require insulin to compensate for.

A type 1 diabetic without honeymoon insulin production will still die after a period of even the strictest of ketogenic diets. It was the treatment prior to the introduction of insulin, and was effective at extending the lives of diabetics; they would typically be able to live up to 3 or 4 years post-diagnosis before eventually dying.

For the record, my body enters keto at or around 45g/day, as measured by the presence and amounts of ketones; anyone who says “you need exactly N grams per day or it isn’t keto” is extrapolating from generalized experience at best.

The problem with keto isn’t that it isn’t effective for some things, it’s that people go a long way to oversimplify both the science behind it and the impacts it can have on other conditions by over applying that lens of simplification. It’s a good diet for some, but it isn’t a free lunch (pun not intended) - and it’s far from something that can eliminate the needs of insulin in type 1 populations, as this article alludes to.

Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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sorry but this is bs and straight dangerous. cholesterol itself is not dangerous but the proteins that carry it in the blood stream are. That’s why LDL is bad and HDL is good (supposedly 2 types of cholesterol- but they’re not they’re two types of proteins). The LDL are the smaller ones that actually end up, in time, piercing the lumen (blood vessel wall) and causing inflammation. this is how your arteries narrow and…

“piercing the lumen” is a drastic over-simplification. We don’t know how much LDL is in a healthy lumen (the small amount of research that exists suggests its greater than the serum concentration). Much of it gets there via active transport mechanisms (transcytosis). Also, why would an endogenously produced protein end up killing you? Seems like evolution run-amok.

haha. it’s amazing how complicated even the simplest forms of organic life are. things do go wrong all the time and there are complex mechanisms to balance things out. that being said systematic imbalance or just “wear and tear” eventually win.

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Just because you never see the cost, doesn’t mean it costs “nothing”.

Sure, but to someone who's on unemployment benefits. It's free. To someone who's earning a little bit more than that, it's free. To someone who is earning enough to pay tax, they're paying a tiny amount. To someone who's earning more than 30K€, they're paying a few grand in taxes (which covers other public services also). To someone who's earning 60k€ they're paying even more. But the important thing is that the pers…

I am aware that insulin costs a lot less in other countries. I have read the stories of Americans going to Canada to buy insulin. I have also read the stories of diabetics in the United States who died because they tried to make their insulin last longer by rationing their dose.

If I didn't have insurance my insulin would cost me either $245 (fast-acting) or $700 (basal) a vial.

I was just pointing out that getting insulin for $35 a vial in the United States is a very good deal.

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Keto diets have most definitely not been around long enough for anyone's bodies to evolve to follow them. That takes many thousands of years.

The diet of primitive humans was more similar to keto than to current developed country diets and it was in place for hundreds of thousands of years. The first big change was from agricultural civilizations in neolithic, less than ten thousands year ago. Current diet is at most a hundred years old. And specifically the diet that is causing so many problems is only fifty years old.

primitive humans also lived 20-30 years tops. today at 20 you can eat whatever you want and you’ll mostly be fine short term.

i’m tired of people justifying their life choices by what primitive humans were doing. we’re not primitive humans.

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Sure, but to someone who's on unemployment benefits. It's free. To someone who's earning a little bit more than that, it's free. To someone who is earning enough to pay tax, they're paying a tiny amount. To someone who's earning more than 30K€, they're paying a few grand in taxes (which covers other public services also). To someone who's earning 60k€ they're paying even more. But the important thing is that the pers…

I am aware that insulin costs a lot less in other countries. I have read the stories of Americans going to Canada to buy insulin. I have also read the stories of diabetics in the United States who died because they tried to make their insulin last longer by rationing their dose. If I didn't have insurance my insulin would cost me either $245 (fast-acting) or $700 (basal) a vial. I was just pointing out that getting i…

> I was just pointing out that getting insulin for $35 a vial in the United States is a very good deal.

That may very well be the case. But for someone paying 0% tax in Ireland, 0€ on insulin is an even better deal.

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I am aware that insulin costs a lot less in other countries. I have read the stories of Americans going to Canada to buy insulin. I have also read the stories of diabetics in the United States who died because they tried to make their insulin last longer by rationing their dose. If I didn't have insurance my insulin would cost me either $245 (fast-acting) or $700 (basal) a vial. I was just pointing out that getting i…

> I was just pointing out that getting insulin for $35 a vial in the United States is a very good deal. That may very well be the case. But for someone paying 0% tax in Ireland, 0€ on insulin is an even better deal.

I agree, completely.

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The diet of primitive humans was more similar to keto than to current developed country diets and it was in place for hundreds of thousands of years. The first big change was from agricultural civilizations in neolithic, less than ten thousands year ago. Current diet is at most a hundred years old. And specifically the diet that is causing so many problems is only fifty years old.

primitive humans also lived 20-30 years tops. today at 20 you can eat whatever you want and you’ll mostly be fine short term. i’m tired of people justifying their life choices by what primitive humans were doing. we’re not primitive humans.

Life expectancy may have been that low, but overwhelmingly due to infant mortality. It's not like primitive humans were dying of old age in their 20s.

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primitive humans also lived 20-30 years tops. today at 20 you can eat whatever you want and you’ll mostly be fine short term. i’m tired of people justifying their life choices by what primitive humans were doing. we’re not primitive humans.

Life expectancy may have been that low, but overwhelmingly due to infant mortality. It's not like primitive humans were dying of old age in their 20s.

not in their 20s but definitely not in their 80s like today. if you reached 50s you were a boss. a lot of things that we consider routine to fix today would have ended your life (broken leg/hand, infections, severe diarrhea, etc). We really under-appreciate how many things we have as tools to expand our lifespan today.

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when you use LDL, HDL and cholesterol interchangeably this tells me that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Cholesterol itself is part of the lipid membrane of every cell. It’s essential. When people say “high cholesterol” they usually talk about high cholesterol carrying lipo-proteins in the bloodstream. high ldl is definitely a risk factor for CHD

How do you explain what Dave Feldman refers to as the lipid triad which is common in people that are on a low carbohydrate diet? In this case, there is not sufficient evidence that those who have elevated HDL, LDL and low triglycerides have higher rates of cardiovascular disease... https://cholesterolcode.com/a-dialog-on-the-lipid-triad-with...

not familiar with this fellow but if I had to guess I would say that in some cases ldl-c (volume) is high while ldl-p (count) is low leading the ldl not to cause as much damage as it a high number of particles

Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Both those prices seem excessive.

These prices are not high. I went through a period when I had no health insurance, and I had to rely on generic insulin, the kind you can buy at Walmart for $25 a vial. I have insurance now and the insulin I take now costs me a co-pay of $100 a vial. Paying $35 a vial without insurance is not bad at all.

What's wrong with the cheap generic?
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