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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by javagram »

freehunter wrote: post #346
koolba wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So many people here are celebrating this order due to its supposed abstract benefits but are somehow unaware of the its cruelty. To be blunt, a nation's citizens and permanent residents' rights to economic prosperity outweigh any temporary worker's right to continued employment. Yes it may be viewed as cruel in the individual case, but the point of these visas are not to provide a vehicle for those workers to come…

Why do these programs always seem to target the worker, but not the employer? Enforcement of illegal immigration always seems to have the immigrants arrested and deported, but what about the people who hired the illegal workers? H-1B visa holders get blamed for "competing against permanent residents" but where's the blame for companies who hire H-1B workers over American citizens? We live in a capitalist economy whic…

> So if there are too many H-1B holders competing with Americans, why not make it harder for companies to hire them over an equally qualified America

This is literally what the H-1B visa program does, it makes companies jump through hoops to hire someone from overseas. The path of least resistance is definitely hiring a citizen where they don’t need to worry about getting a visa.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by bdcravens »

It won't happen, but it would nice to see a comprehensive plan to address the talent shortage that the H-1B is designed to address. Disadvantages faced by people of color is front of the mind right now; it's the perfect time to announce a detailed plan of training and education that would accomplish 2 purposes.

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Post by michaelmrose »

xenocyon wrote: post #339
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

A common thing one hears from some Americans is "I'm not opposed to immigration; I'm opposed to illegal immigration". I have come to learn that this is almost always a lie; often these same folks will jump at any chance to hurt legal immigration as well.

Literally everyone who is for "legal immigration" belongs to 2 camps.

One means they want to limit immigration of brown people to as close to zero as possible while allowing white people from Europe with money to move here. Where they can't outright forbid anyone except white Europeans they want to increase the difficulty and bureaucracy to the point where virtually nobody gets through. If it takes 10 years to become a citizen great. If it takes 30 better. Let em die waiting.

Two lives in a fantasy land of law and order where the non criminal types could just queue up and prove that they are the right type of people and follow the law. In this fantasy land type one doesn't exist and the people sneaking in are proven to be bad people by the act of breaking the law. These people live in a world where the law exists to protect and privilege them and anyone not following it is clearly transgressing.

Virtually nobody whom we citizens are descended from waited 10 years, hired a lawyer, and filled out paperwork in triplicate and both types are hypocrites who are themselves a disease on the body politic. If you hear someone talking about how they are for "legal immigration" unfriend them, block them, don't hire them, don't associate. You can't fix them so contain the cancer.

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Post by cromka »

okapple wrote: post #376
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

H1B Employee with 100k Salary contributes $12,400 to Social Security and $2,900 Medicare every year. (Total:$15,300 per year). Majority H1B from India and China are stuck in green card backlog; with the current immigration system, they will never get the green card. Option for them is to stay in the USA on H1B in green card waiting queue or return home. (I do not think this is right or wrong people who are stuck in t…

Social Security contributions are not forfeited, they're your for life.

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Post by michaelmrose »

addicted wrote: post #387
michaelmrose wrote: post #368

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If you classify someone as foo and have them do bar you can pay them above the prevailing rate for foo while actually being below the prevailing rate for bar. It can also serve as a way for third party to earn a sizable chunk of that persons wages which would be a less likely scenario for someone hired stateside.

Why would they agree to be paid under when they are in tech where companies until at least a year ago were fighting for employees? They could literally cross the street in SF and land a better job at a better price. I mean, for a country that prides itself on free markets, it’s remarkable that you believe that free markets simply stop working. And here’s the kicker. An H1B employee costs a company a lot more than a r…

H1B can't simply cross the street and change companies. If they find themselves between jobs they will shortly find themselves between countries and many companies have been found to have made agreements not to hire each others people.

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Post by bdcravens »

supercanuck wrote: post #388

Here are the top 10 employers of H1-B. With the exception of MSFT, all of these are "consulting firms" or "service" providers. So while everyone is having "ideological, values" based discussions, here is what is really happening Employer Name Employees Hired (All Years) Infosys Limited 182,945 Tata Consultancy Services Limited 102,722 Deloitte Consulting Llp 65,976 Wipro Limited 63,354 Accenture Llp 51,360 Ibm India…

To directly turn labor costs into a profit center, you need a business model that allows you to bill per unit of work.

Perhaps this is where H1-B restrictions need to be focused. No third-party employment.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by TheNorthman »

infamouscow wrote: post #212
joelbluminator wrote: post #39

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I don't know that that's true, any source for that? If countries are opening up for tourists (!) I don't see why not for immigration.

Name one country that has opened for tourists or has recently (as in the last week or two) said they will open for tourists.

Denmark [0] and Sweden [1].

[0]: https://um.dk/da/nyheder-fra-udenrigsministeriet/newsdisplay...

[1]: https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2020/06/ud-avrada...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by armada651 »

ckaygusu wrote: post #350
armada651 wrote: post #302

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As an H1 all your authorizations are tied to your Visa in some way. They may not expire at the same time, but if you have no way of acquiring a new visa (which under this suspension, you don't) you're in trouble whether you leave the country or not. > You are still conflating legal status and visa in an improper way. I am and you should speak to your immigration lawyer if your visa is expiring.

Oh man. I am going through F1->H1B process. I do not have an H1B visa, and I have a document that tells me I am allowed to stay in the country in the H1B status between a time period, and you are telling me I am in trouble because I do not have a visa. Ok, I suppose.

I don't know how this order affects your current process, definitely talk to you immigration lawyer about that. But we're talking about immigrants who have not yet applied for renewal, they could be in a situation where they have no chance for renewal.

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Post by belltaco »

samfisher83 wrote: post #80
belltaco wrote: post #38

This is great news for Canada. Once the Covid situation resolves, if Trudeau doesn't give a lot of incentives for tech companies to build offices there Canada will miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Canada has already been benefiting from the recent restrictions on work visas and rejecting visas for no reason, for example by saying a forensic pathologist isn't a specialty occupation. https://www.npr.org/20…

People in Canada aren't making US salaries. Most people want to go to the US for the money.

That makes Canada even more attractive to tech companies because they can save money. Canadian salaries and living standards are still better than many other countries'.

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Post by pkaye »

weyland108 wrote: post #284
pkaye wrote: post #165

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Years back I had a college friend who was hired on an OPT visa. When they wanted to convert his visa to H1B (I think) they kept getting suitable candidates so had to rewrite the requirements so its only suited to him. He confided this to me as he felt bad but really needed that job.

There is no “opt” visa it’s “optional Practical training”. It’s for a limited duration after he graduates also the rules are sketchy if he Would be let back into the country if wants to travel home to see family . If the employer wants to continue his employment he has no choice but to go on H1b. And then H1b has its own requirements and problems with it. Try to understand a lot of people “abusing” the system have no…

> Try to understand a lot of people “abusing” the system have not other legal recourse to keep their lives going.

That is probably because other countries make it even harder for people to immigrate.

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