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Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Post by surfallday »

Trasmatta wrote: post #21

I'm a type 1 diabetic and find these articles and studies frustrating. Or at least the way people interpret them. > Two weeks after adopting the low carb approach insulin was no longer needed. After 18 months insulin therapy was once again required at low doses of around 16 units per day. HbA1c remained very well controlled on the LCHF diet with insulin. So during the honeymoon period, he was able to live without ins…

great point to balance out the hype! This should be mentioned by article authors! I appreciate that comment.

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Post by ardit33 »

gshdg wrote: post #42
ardit33 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plants are mostly carbs yo... well, some have more complex carbs... and some have more fat (avocados) and some have protein, but still "plant based diet" usually means complex carbs... Healthier for sure, but it can't be considered 'low carb diet'

Not a ton of carb calories in lettuce, kale, spinach, broccoli, etc. They’re mostly composed of insoluble fiber (from which ruminants can extract calories but humans can’t) and water. A “low carb” diet doesn’t exclude high amounts of insoluble fiber. It excludes high amounts of carbohydrate calories.

This is not getting through...

If you are consuming your 2000 calories diet, and it is coming from plants, you are still ingesting 2000 calories worth of carbs.....

1 kg of feathers, and 1 kg of iron, weight the same....

The feathers will be large and take more volume, while the iron will be small and more dense.

Same with foods.... if your plant based diet you are consuming 2000 worth of bio-available calories, then that is still mostly carbs...

It is healthier for sure than consuming 2000 calories through processed foods such a muffins, chips and other crap. But, still your 2000 CALORIES will come through CARBS, but they will be digested slowly due to the fiber.

But if you are ingesting 2000 bio-available calories through plants, it is most likely mostly carbs (plus some fats and protein). Insoluble fiber just goes towards your poop, and it is usually not counted under 'carbs'.

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Post by chillwaves »

proc0 wrote: post #5

Balance in diet seems to be the one principal that will never go away. I'm suspicious of any diet that eats too much of one thing, especially if it claims the other things are harmful.

The term "balance" is meaningless unless we know what kind of values are ascribed to "too much" which is exactly what we are trying to sort out.

No one talks about eating a "balanced" amount of high fructose corn syrup, in terms of nutritional benefit.

Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Post by heavyset_go »

e40 wrote: post #15
vbtemp wrote: post #4

I was on a low-carb diet for a while. Loved it. Felt great. Was totally fit. All my digestive problems cleared up. I would never get "hangry". By every single subjective measure my quality of life and sense of well-being improved. Then I got my cholesterol checked during a routine blood work and it was through the roof. WTF? Anyone know better than me about this?

High cholesterol does not cause CHD. My PCP doesn't even check it anymore. There is a lot of money behind the drugs that require us to believe this.

Show me the clinical evidence that supports your claims, because there are tomes of evidence that suggest the exact opposite.

There's a lot of money behind that "One Weird Trick That Doctors Hate and Your Stomach Will Love", too, but not a lot of evidence.

Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Post by Josteniok »

cbanek wrote: post #47

> It is known from the growing evidence base that a low carb approach can help put type 2 diabetes into remissio, and now experts are exploring its impact on type 1 diabetes. > showed the benefits of low carb treatment among adult men with newly-diagnosed type 1 diabetes. The three men were aged between 36 and 40 years old at diagnosis. First off, spelling error this soon (remissio) raises red flags, but yes, type 1…

My wife is a T1 who was diagnosed in her 40s. I sent her this whole comment chain and she wanted me to mention that "...half of all new T1 diagnoses come in ppl over 30."

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Post by halfcat »

capkutay wrote: post #29
vbtemp wrote: post #4

I was on a low-carb diet for a while. Loved it. Felt great. Was totally fit. All my digestive problems cleared up. I would never get "hangry". By every single subjective measure my quality of life and sense of well-being improved. Then I got my cholesterol checked during a routine blood work and it was through the roof. WTF? Anyone know better than me about this?

If your definition of 'low-carb diet' includes red meat, cheese, and butter then high cholesterol shouldn't surprise you at all. People should really look at minimizing their intake of animal fats. Both for ethical and health reasons.

> People should really look at minimizing their intake of animal fats. Both for ethical and health reasons.

I’m all for the ethical angle. Factory farming is horrific.

But why health? I certainly haven’t read every study out there, but I’ve read a lot of studies, and what I can’t find is causal evidence of negative health effects of animal products in the absence of sugar. Do you know of any studies I can read?

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Post by PKop »

rantwasp wrote: post #40
PKop wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your assumptions about high cholesterol being bad are wrong, simple as that. Just as a few decades ago, the popular (even as agreed upon within medical industry) assumptions about "low fat" were wrong. In other words, the measurement you observed was good . Your brain needs that measured value you were tested at to be high. Your health would suffer if it wasn't. There is tons of research and discussion about this onl…

so. this is so general that it’s not helpful. what ranges are we talking about? also, when people talk about cholesterol they usually don’t mean cholesterol they mean lipi-proteins that carry the cholesterol through the blood (cholesterol needs this as it’s hydrophobic). LDL from those lipo-proteins is definitely correlated with heart disease. Here, read about it in more detail than you probably need to know: https:/…

>this is so general that it’s not helpful

I think digging into the minutiae of specific numbers is silly, when the better frame is to construct the right diet the comports w/ human evolution and lifestyle, energy, activity and go from there.

Generally low carb (particularly avoiding high glycemic index carb, and sugars) preferring lower starch vegetables, while prioritizing animal fats, meat, fish.

Keto / keto carnivore, low carb etc have been around and well studied for a while now. People should do their own research (I like all of Gary Taubes' books and presentations, there are many others as well and podcasts) but ultimately I summarize the point as our bodies have evolved to follow this diet and observations of societies or time periods when one or the other was more prevalent show stark differentials in health, obesity, diabetes, metabolic syndrome...

I have no idea what my cholesterol numbers are (I'm sure they are "high"), but I certainly would never take a statin which would destroy my brain.. and as the OP mentioned, I know what makes me feel rested, energetic, what provides energy and muscle mass along with workouts in the weight room, what does or does not result in brain fog (sugar), better sleep, lower body fat, etc. All low carb / high fat. The more intense the exercise one does, the more carbs they can consume.

Re: Low carb diet leads to “clinical remission” in 3 cases of type 1 diabetes

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Post by robocat »

jadell wrote: post #44
robocat wrote: post #34

I’ve seen a friend diagnosed with type 2 diabetes return his insulin levels to normal through diet, exercise and cutting out alcohol. It just takes more discipline than most people have. Edit: I’m presuming he had T2 because he didn’t get it as a child, but reading this thread I see T1 can be diagnosed as an adult: I did not know that. Honestly I am trying to have the same discipline myself after seeing the results,…

Type 1 and Type 2 are completely different diseases. They present similar symptoms -- which is why they're both called "diabetes" --, but their underlying causes are different. Many T2 patients can control their blood sugar with diet. No T1 patients can. It has nothing to do with "discipline", it's an autoimmune disease. It's actually a bit insulting to suggest it's somehow "their own fault."

I certainly wasn’t trying to imply T1 diabetes was their own fault. I have a friend with T1 diabetes and diet helps them but it doesn’t cure them (although they continue to drink wine and are somewhat careless in their sugar level management sometimes).

The friend with T2 diabetes very likely is caused by an autoimmune reaction: he had what is commonly an autoimmune disease as a child. Some percentage of T2 diabetes cases are caused by poor diet, althogh there are many other factors.

Edit: Also, obviously diet and exercise help avoid many other health issues. And I feel your comment doesn’t follow the hn guideline “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”

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Post by heavyset_go »

ardit33 wrote: post #62
gshdg wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a ton of carb calories in lettuce, kale, spinach, broccoli, etc. They’re mostly composed of insoluble fiber (from which ruminants can extract calories but humans can’t) and water. A “low carb” diet doesn’t exclude high amounts of insoluble fiber. It excludes high amounts of carbohydrate calories.

This is not getting through... If you are consuming your 2000 calories diet, and it is coming from plants, you are still ingesting 2000 calories worth of carbs..... 1 kg of feathers, and 1 kg of iron, weight the same.... The feathers will be large and take more volume, while the iron will be small and more dense. Same with foods.... if your plant based diet you are consuming 2000 worth of bio-available calories, then…

Tofu, seitan, tempeh made without rice, etc are plant-based, high protein and low carb. Various fungi fall into the same category, although they aren't plants. Make a dish with vegetable oil and you'll have a high fat and protein meal with minimal carbs that is plant-based.
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