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Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by sukilot »

hendzen wrote: post #37

Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…

"Amazon accepts gifts freely given to it" is a weird accusation.

OSS authors could distribute on a non-commercial CC license.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by baddox »

Grimm1 wrote: post #154
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they need to benefit the OSS provider? The license doesn't contain anything suggesting otherwise. If authors want credit and money, the license needs to state as much. You can't publish something saying "do whatever you want" and then complain that people aren't being fair to you.

1 point by Grimm1 8 minutes ago | edit | delete [–] The licenses weren't conceived of with the thought of something like AWS. Now that we're in the midst of things that's changing but what is an officially supported open source license [0] is too slow so you can't use the OSS label if you've you're not using the approved licenses. Both Mongo and Elasticsearch have changed their licenses to prevent cloud players from…

> The licenses weren't conceived of with the thought of something like AWS.

You mean...a hosting company? I find it hard to believe that the open source movement was blindsided by the realization that there are companies that sell hosting services and that somehow this destroys the viability of their movement.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by jpttsn »

arduinomancer wrote: post #175

Why is Apple's revenue here even percentage-based at all? It makes zero sense. According to Apple they need this revenue cut because of the cost of keeping the platform running. If I offer a subscription in my app for 1$/month vs 10$/month what marginal expense is being incurred that apple deserves an extra $2.70 for the higher price?

You’ve seen through it, congrats: they are pricing based on value, not cost.

McDonalds, Nike and Gillette do this too. Hey, maybe you’re doing it yourself: is your salary really the cheapest way for you to produce the work you get paid for?

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #149
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can use Google Chrome, and still use a non-Google search engine. I can use a Kindle, and still read DRM-Free epubs. Yes, all the major tech companies are engaged in rent seeking. But Apple is the only one that says users must either must pay rent or throw away their hardware. The App Store and its policies are not the problem. The App Store is Apple's store, just like Amazon.com is Amazon's store. But the App Store…

Doesn't Android have the same problem? If your app isn't in the Play Store, it may as well not exist.

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Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by thatMurcia99 »

hendzen wrote: post #37

Apple takes a 30% cut of all IAP. Google scrapes info and displays it in widgets above links to the actual content. Google charges trademark holders AdWords ransom to protect searches for their own brands. Amazon kills OSS business models by offering managed OSS services on AWS at an unbeatable cost. Amazon picks off the best performing market place categories with Amazon Basics ‘recommended’ competitors. The list go…

That’s not a tech specific feature that’s society.

Corporations buy up all the viable land, then rent rooms, or sell stock. They “bank” all your money and use it to profit for themselves.

Wax cylinders and vinyl records are like human society: round and round they go, skipping on all the same old knicks.

The financial ownership model is your real problem. Money is speech now in America.

Good luck.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by evan_ »

troycarlson wrote: post #164
dgudkov wrote: post #76

On a side note, I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but the whole story is a great marketing campaign for HEY. Clashing with Apple made everybody learn about the app in a matter of days.

It is literally a play from their book, Rework. See the essay "Pick a fight."

So is Apple in on it? Remember, Apple initially approved the app.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by aidenn0 »

donarb wrote: post #207
zem wrote: post #182

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the app is free. it's not a hey account, it's an app that lets you access your hey account from an iphone. the account itself has no dependence on the app.

It actually does. You cannot use a regular email application to access your email on Hey, they don't use POP/IMAP.

1. Fastmail has been asked to allow in-app sign-ups and they do use POP/IMAP.

2. Hey can be accessed via HTTP, so it's not app only.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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Post by pdonis »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #224
jpttsn wrote: post #200

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I can’t relate to this. Some vendors sell me hardware, and I can bring my own software. Apple sells me more expensive hardware with the software only from their “partners”, which is “curated” and subject to a steep 30% distribution cut. Apple never tricked me into an iPhone believing I could run any random software. I know what I signed up for. Why should I feel entitled to anything else?

Why should software makers share their revenue with Apple? We don’t do it on android, Windows, macOS, linux, or anything else. The only value added by Apple is some kind of vetting (they don’t do code review, they just check that the app meets their recommendations... and they are called RECOMMENDATIONS not REQUIEMENTS). My app was recently rejected because i refused to sell in-app purchases and want to keep purchase…

> Why should software makers share their revenue with Apple?

Why should Apple care what software makers want?

I get that it's a pain to develop software for the iPhone and then have to pay rent to Apple to get it to users; but that's not Apple's problem unless enough users either complain or switch hardware to cut into Apple's revenue. That doesn't seem to be happening. Sure, there are plenty of users (I'm one of them) who refuse to buy an Apple device precisely because of limitations like this, but there are plenty more users who don't seem to care; whatever they are getting through Apple's curated app store appears to satisfy their needs. As long as that remains true, Apple has no incentive to change its policies, and that's just a business reality that any software developer contemplating making an app for the iPhone is going to have to deal with.

Re: You download the app and it doesn’t work

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thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #219
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can use Google Chrome, and still use a non-Google search engine. I can use a Kindle, and still read DRM-Free epubs. Yes, all the major tech companies are engaged in rent seeking. But Apple is the only one that says users must either must pay rent or throw away their hardware. The App Store and its policies are not the problem. The App Store is Apple's store, just like Amazon.com is Amazon's store. But the App Store…

I haven't found a way to sign in to YouTube without being signed into Chrome.

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