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The author changing "Hey" to "Yo" was also a poor choice considering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_(app)
It's fine, you did understand it was Hey didn't you?
Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
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Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#182"Whining" is an overly prejudicial word choice for this title. These are legitimate issues people have with what Apple is doing, not mere whining. This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal that is so commonly used as a lampshade for suppressing dissent. Not sure if that's the intent here but that's what it comes off as. And this point from the article needs to be…
Apple is not a monopoly! They have a majority (not monopoly) on a very specific US-based market. They aren't the only US market, and they are a small international market. Apple isn't even the #1 handset manufacturer (they are #3 or #4 depending on who you ask), and far and away isn't the #1 laptop manufacturer. The attitude that it is a monopoly is exactly the disconnect between this article and your comment. The ar…
So they creted a platforn and enforce service. Thats creating playground, rules and playing the game.
Remember microsoft was subjected to antitrust regulations for providing web browser with the os. This was considered unfair practice. Forcing people to give up 30 of revenue goes much much further.
By giving customers no choice, it's limiting hardware capabilities of your device.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#183These rotten apple gangsters need to be stopped (by legislation). A huge fine (50 billions) is in order!
It's not only about the 30 % extortion fee but also e.g. Phone Story. A member of a platform duopoly should be disallowed to uniquely control the single access point.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#184Unpopular opinion: the 30% that Apple charges includes customer acquisition cost. As a thought experiment, if Hey adds In-App Purchase for subscriptions, but everyone who downloads the app has first signed up for their service due to their marketing methods (an increasing likelihood considering this controversy), then nobody will use the In App Purchase, and Hey will send $0.00 to Apple. If someone discovers the App…
Hey is arguing that they want the choice to unlist from the app store entirely so their client would never surface in organic search results, and have no IAP link. That way the only audience they gain are from people they themselves marketed to and purchased a subscription on the web. But it's unfair to Apple! They get 0.00 for this! Bullshit. Every Apple customer who wants to use HEY gets a great mobile experience t…
Apple is providing value to Basecamp/Hey by providing a smartphone and an operating system that can run Hey app. "Hey" can simply remove the app from App store and provide a web based version if they don't want to pay for convenience of iOS and iPhone.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple is not a monopoly! They have a majority (not monopoly) on a very specific US-based market. They aren't the only US market, and they are a small international market. Apple isn't even the #1 handset manufacturer (they are #3 or #4 depending on who you ask), and far and away isn't the #1 laptop manufacturer. The attitude that it is a monopoly is exactly the disconnect between this article and your comment. The ar…
Their app store is on their devices. They forbid any other similar service. So they creted a platforn and enforce service. Thats creating playground, rules and playing the game. Remember microsoft was subjected to antitrust regulations for providing web browser with the os. This was considered unfair practice. Forcing people to give up 30 of revenue goes much much further. By giving customers no choice, it's limiting…
This only became an issue when their market share was far greater than the competition, which is simply not the case.
This is just developer sour grapes. You want more money. Just say it.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#186I can't stop. I've been buying computers and peripherals and gizmos since 1974. I have a house full of them. I code for food. But I've yet to buy my first Apple product or service. Yes, it's mostly because I'm cheap. But it's also because I avoid walled gardens. I feel pretty good about that now. Climb on out, y'all, the weather's fine out here in the jungle.
Am I the only one who loves Apple products? I love MacOS. I love iOS. I love all things Apple. Customer service is totally top notch. Physical quality is excellent, of course I have my wishes and pet peeves (don’t like cold aluminum, stupid touchbar, keyboard!). I’m willing to pay even double the cost of other cheaply made products from Asus, Acer, Samsung, etc. Not to mention the whole ecosystem thing and I trust Ap…
This is Apple's 1984 commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I
They aren't the same company anymore. They started making fun of people that used other products. They started to say you can only use use Apple products this way. They started to say, "you're holding it wrong". They started to just pretend to be user-friendly and stopped actually being user-friendly.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not saying the answer is to break them up, but clearly as was shown with Microsoft in the 90s, they could be forced to allow competition on their devices, like Microsoft had to allow for different search engines on their browsers and different default browsers. Apple could be forced to allow alternative app stores or to stop dragging their feet on PWA features or any other number of reasonable regulations like th…
> but clearly as was shown with Microsoft in the 90s, they could be forced to allow competition on their devices But as the parent comment you're replying to said, the situations aren't comparable. Microsoft had over 90% of the market in the 90s. You could not stop using Windows, because there was simply no credible alternative for most consumers. That's not true for iOS. If Microsoft at the time had, say, 50% of the…
I doubt ms had 90% of consumer electronics market or even os.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple is not a monopoly! They have a majority (not monopoly) on a very specific US-based market. They aren't the only US market, and they are a small international market. Apple isn't even the #1 handset manufacturer (they are #3 or #4 depending on who you ask), and far and away isn't the #1 laptop manufacturer. The attitude that it is a monopoly is exactly the disconnect between this article and your comment. The ar…
They are indeed a monopoly in a certain market segment - aka, those who are more than willing to pay for apps. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-users-spend-twice-apps... Their existing monopolistic actions like “preventing interoperability at any cost” feeds this viscous cycle where high school kids are embarrassed to send text message to iPhone from an Android device. I own Apple stock, would love then to crush…
Remove the gate, the quality dips. I'd imagine the amount willing to pay goes down too.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal It's even worse than that. Even if you leave Apple ecosystem, you are still subject to it. Consumers don't like paying different prices based on the platform they are using. They will feel cheated. For this reason, app and service developers almost always price their products the same across all platforms. If a service d…
Then don't buy the device. Bad taste in your mouth is not going to accomplish anything.
Bad taste in my mouth is not going to accomplish anything. Simply not buying an Apple device does not accomplish anything either. Speaking out, raising awareness, asking for regulations, etc. is the only way to accomplish anything.
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I use a $20 LG feature phone. I don't know what OS it runs, but it's not Android.
Ok, but then you've given up on an entire technology set. You haven't avoided Apple and Android, you've avoided the tech entirely.
I have not avoided technology in general, not by a long shot.