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Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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That’s all super fair, but they also argue this direction allows them to innovate as well. Notably, their direction resembles a rails approach and lets the server do more work. (Because Hey is instead just a standard API client, whereas the client can tell the server things that you just can’t do with IMAP.) I imagine with the Apple situation they are working on adding support currently however, even if it’s reduced.…

> They need an iOS plan B. I hope they don't. Apple needs to feel the pain their evil and immoral behaviour is inflicting on the world. In a perfect world, the government would force them to behave ethically. Absent that, Hey's stance here is the next best thing. If folks like Basecamp don't start standing up to Apple, then nothing stops Apple from just outright killing the majority of mobile software development. An…

I wonder if there's any single app company other than Google and Facebook that could take this stance and have Apple actually care. It's definitely not hey though.

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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> They need an iOS plan B. I hope they don't. Apple needs to feel the pain their evil and immoral behaviour is inflicting on the world. In a perfect world, the government would force them to behave ethically. Absent that, Hey's stance here is the next best thing. If folks like Basecamp don't start standing up to Apple, then nothing stops Apple from just outright killing the majority of mobile software development. An…

I wonder if there's any single app company other than Google and Facebook that could take this stance and have Apple actually care. It's definitely not hey though.

> It's definitely not hey though.

For Hey alone, agreed. I don't think they have enough clout.

But Hey is a cool/popular new thing. If the next 20 coolest newest things also skip Apple as well (because Apple continues this grossly unethical behaviour) then Apple iPhones might lose their largely-unearned reputation as the place where the coolest/most-polished apps live.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge multinational corporate stance to make this painful. It just has to be enough of the trendiest new things people want.

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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HEY looked interesting until I found out they don't support IMAP. When I think about the problems with email, I don't think primarily about the interface, but about the fact that the open standards on which it is based are increasingly being ignored.

Absolutely this.

I've seen a bunch of "new takes" on email over the years, but none of them have been interesting to me because I don't want to run my mail on something goofy and proprietary that I can't easily and (mostly) painlessly migrate somewhere else.

Also, I'm not sure email needs a "new take."

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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Come on, nothing innovative? It really is innovative. Whitelist screening, batch replying, proper “reply later” etc I think imbox is embarrassing, and I don’t like the graphic design, but it’s definitely innovative and good for them for doing something different.

I think there's a subset of tech folks that don't really value UX (which is like 90% of hey's value-add). It's the same people that don't understand Slack's value because "it's just over-hyped IRC"

A good UX is great for a single app, but standards compliance is great for the entire software ecosystem.

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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> Their whole "filtering everything out until you whitelist the sender" approach Unless I'm missing something about what they're doing, this is a basic SIEVE script that filters anything not explicitly whitelisted into a folder.

This has a bit of a "I can build Dropbox with a bunch of shell scripts over the weekend" vibe. I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that. How would you whitelist things in your regular IMAP client? Manually moving things to the IMAP Inbox and which then marks them as whitelisted somehow? You could probably build that with a bunch of hacks but you'll not get a polished consumer friendly feature out of that. They are…

> How would you whitelist things in your regular IMAP client? Manually moving things to the IMAP Inbox and which then marks them as whitelisted somehow?

That's exactly how you'd do it, and the functionality definitely exists - all handled on the server side. See: learning spam from ham by dragging to/from the spam folder.

https://wiki.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Plugins/IMAPSieve

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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No you cannot do this. Apple does not allow you to put a higher price on iOS than other places. Also the issue is Apple's inconsistency. Netflix and Spotify do the exact same thing HEY is trying to do but Apple has done nothing for them because of this bullshit distinction between consumer and business apps??? Why do consumers apps not need IAP but business apps do? What they're doing is exactly what mafias do. Look…

They removed the price restriction in 2011. https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/09/apple-reverses-course-o...

Thank you for the correction, but my point still stands.

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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My problem is I associate DHH and the Basecamp folks with the "Web2.0" of yesterday, and slow, hard-to-scale Ruby and Rails stuff. (Remember the year when everything looked like the RoR "To Do list" demo app?). All their branding, personal and professional, is a decade old.

Says the person with "fortran" in their handle

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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HEY looked interesting until I found out they don't support IMAP. When I think about the problems with email, I don't think primarily about the interface, but about the fact that the open standards on which it is based are increasingly being ignored.

Absolutely this. I've seen a bunch of "new takes" on email over the years, but none of them have been interesting to me because I don't want to run my mail on something goofy and proprietary that I can't easily and (mostly) painlessly migrate somewhere else. Also, I'm not sure email needs a "new take."

It would be nice if IMAP received some extensions that makes it more up to par with proprietary mail services

For example, a standardized method that allows you to tell your email server to send an email at a specific time.

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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For me it was the ‘I want you to send us a cringey letter straight up begging for an invite’.

It’s a classic marketing strategy that has an extremely high success rate - making the prospect justify why they are a fit for you instead of the usual other way.

Or they drag it out so long that everyone loses interest because their friends aren't there (Google+)

Re: Show HN: Automatically Rename HEY's 'Imbox' to 'Inbox'

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Genuinely need to block Hey in keywords now. The marketing is too much.

Yeah, I'm still not sure whether this is a hidden marketing or a serious attempt from an innocent user. I dind't knew this service before, but now I knew. so marketing worked here at least to me.
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